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Old 22nd January 2015, 22:34
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Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Does anybody has any more information on a relative's death? Oberleutnant Gert Blume, Edelweissgeschwader I./KG 51, who was killed in action 23.5.1942 as pilot of his Ju 88? Provisional graves in a sunflower field.


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Old 24th January 2015, 03:04
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Ju 88A-4 WNr. 5721 bei Welikaja per loss report (Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9). With Lfl.4. No other details.
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Old 24th January 2015, 09:36
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

9K+GB, 30 km südwestlich Isjum, 18 km nördlich Barwenkowo, 300 m westlich Straße, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.

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Old 24th January 2015, 14:10
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Thank you so much Matti and Jim.
Is both of your information one and the same plane?

I have marked to best of information the crash site here:
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Old 6th February 2015, 17:39
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Today I got information from Volksbund Dt Kriegsgräberfürsorge (German War Grave Commission) about the possible whereabouts of Gert Blume's remains.
The temporary grave-as seen in the picture above- with the 4 burned crew members, later have been buried in Barwenkowo (see map above). The graves in B. were barely identifyable in the late 90s and had been robbed by grave looters. After bilateral government agreement on the status of German dead in the Ukraine, all 663 German soldiers have been exhumed in B. and were moved to a VdK maintained concentration cemetery in Charkow. Sadly most ID tags had been robbed in B. and most soldiers from there had to be reburied as unknowns. His name is now etched in a big granite block together with thousand others next to the burial site.

Do not support Ukrainian and Russian looters and trade or buy ID tags!

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Old 6th February 2015, 22:46
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Could anybody help with the crew functions of this loss.
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Old 7th February 2015, 02:16
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

My db entry (with Matti's info included) -

Ju 88A-4, 5721, Blume, Oblt. Gert, , I., , KG 51, , 9K+GB, , , 23-May-42, KIA with crew due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters., bei Welikaja, Bs Fw. Heinrich Düssen per loss, right name per grave photo., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Salonen via TOCH on 24-Jan-15, Medcalf, 30km südwestlich Isjum, 18km nördlich Barwenkowo, 300m westlich Straße, 100%, F, B Uffz. Werner van Drago, Bf Ofw. Christof Müller & Bs Fw. Heinrich Deussen, , Heinkel Flzg.Werke Oranienburg in Oct-41
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Old 7th February 2015, 03:07
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

"Heinkel Flzg.Werke Oranienburg in Oct-41"

info here is .... incorrect.

Ju 88 A-4 (088)5721 was ATG.

Pilot Rolf Baltabol tested lots of them in Ju 88´s in 50xx, 51xx, 52xx, 55xx, 56xx, 57, 58xx and 59xx series. He worked for ATG.
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Old 7th February 2015, 03:13
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

Sorry Ed. I will admit that I'm working from older sources for much of the construction info - my bad. I need to get a copy of Baltabol's FB!!
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Old 7th February 2015, 04:19
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Re: Ju88 crash OLt Gert Blume, near Isjum 1942

You need correct them others ;-)
All this is old stuff. Only Medcalf turned down an offer to get it correct.
Getting Baltabol does not solve the problem.

I wonder if Medcalf really had any correct. He usually was (is) one or two months off for true Production dates (them dates one sees stamped on dataplates) because of use of delivery figures (and only some of them), and deliveries are not same as "production", it usually took 4 to 6 weeks to transport parts, assemble and test, and then deliver... And these delivery figures have all the clergical and categorical errors possible... and planes were not delivered in W.Nr. order (only roughly), some were delayed. I suspect some even exchanging W.Nr´s before delivery (because often there were hidden construction or line numbers behind these), it appears so because plates found suggest so, and some few failed delivery!

Ok. Here goes... "new decicion W.Nr.´s by JFM in Oct 1939"

088 0xxx JFM (A-1, A-5, A-6 etc. and conversions
(incl. C-1, C-2, C-3, C-4, C-5, C-7, D-2 but Ju 88 B V series was separate.)

088 1xxx JFM (A-4 and D-1, D-5)

088 2xxx Arado (A-1, A-5, A-6, A-4)

088 3xxx Henschel (A-1, A-5, A-6, A-4)

088 4xxx Nord Deutcher Dornier (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 5xxx ATG (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 6xxx Heinkel (A-1, A-5, A-4)

088 7xxx Dornier Sud (A-1 and A-5 only) - and no Ju 88 B series here, despite Medcalf list them such in his book.

088 8xxx Siebel (A-1, A-5, A-4)

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