Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Hi,
An English traduction from this "Structure and deployment of Lft.Kdo.6 Units" had been published inside "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory 1945".
The original document is reproduced inside JG 300 Vol.2 from J.Y.Lorant (i have the French ed.) and at the end of this last one there is an handwritten text about J.G.2 which is hard to read and understand and that is not reproduced in the English version.


Thanks for help...

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

I would translate the text in the following form:

"JG 2 im Protektorat zuletzt
Verlegebefehl nach Erding lag vor
Bodenpersonal im bayer. Wald zuletzt"

in Englisch:

"JG 2 last position Protektorat
transfer order to Erding existed
last position of ground personal Bavarian Wood"

With the blue word I'm not sure but if I read the other text it's the best possibility.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

IMO it reads like this - in German:

JG 2 in Protektorat geplatzt
Verlegsbefehl nach Erding lag vor
Bodenpersonal in bespr. Wald geplatzt

So, does this make sense? The middle sentence is easy:
Order to move to Erding submitted

Now, geplatzt (if that's the word) means broken, burst, explode even.
That's then obviously what happened in the Protektorat(?) to the JG 2,
and likewise to the ground personnel in some forest(?).

Well, that is as far as I can go with these sentences, perhaps somebody else find the correct meaning of it all.

Greetings
Hans Krensler

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Well, I see Rasmussen was faster!
I agree with the Bavarian Wood, and "zuletzt" makes more sense, it just doesn't look like a "zu" to me...
Anyway, you're probably right!

Greetings
Hans

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

I'm not sure that it's "zuletzt" or "geplatzt" because in the handwriting of the time a "z" usually descends below the line. Also, look at the descending "s" in "Restteile KG 51" in the line above.

On the other hand, you do have several typed "zuletzt" in other parts of the document, so it would be consistent.

I did wonder (I certainly wouldn't swear to it!) if the word could be "gestartet" in which case the note is telling that the units in question are en route to Erding and the Bavarian Forest.

Otherwise, it's back to the dictionary for alternatives

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

What about "geplant" (planned)?

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Hi guys,

I read cleary "geplatzt", a german equivalent for "disbanded".

All the best

Jean-Yves Lorant

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

To add a little to the confusion, attached is an ADI(k) copy of the same document. With this copy was also an OOB for Lfl 6 30.4.45.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Here is what I read:
JG 2 im Protektorat geplatzt
Verlegungsbefehl nach Erding lag vor
Bodenpersonal in bayr. Wald geschickt

The above entry regarding KG 51 reads: Restteile KG 51

The two entries are from two different persons. The one regarding KG 51 is in the Suterlin script. That is why the s is going below the line. Also some people, like my dad, used to mix the two scrips. Very hard to read at times.

The second document must be of a later date since it talks about how many Aircraft left Eger and how many arrived in erding and that the ground personell was basically captured at Cham. Unknown is the whereabouts of the Kommodore after he left with his car to Erding.

I can translate the whole thing if someone is interested.


Hope this helps

Norbert

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Sorry Jean - Yves,

but "geplatzt" isn't an german equivalent for "disbanded" -- it's "aufgelöst". "burst" would an right word for "geplatzt" --- like an ballon but this doesn't make sense for an unit.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

P.S.: If I read the document from Artie Bob then left the JG 2 the airfield in Eger and Marienbad (Protektorat ... now Cheb and Marianske Lazne) an was flown to Erding and from there to Holzkirchen and other airfields. The ground personal was "rolled over" (I don't know the correct Englisch word) on their trip from Eger to Erding near Cham. So the word "geplatzt" doesn't make sense.

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Hi All,
the word geplatzt in this contens means more like did not materialize or failed to happen. It is not used in the dictionary sense like blown up. There are several dialekts in Germany and one can only imagine during times of frustration and stress, and for reasons of abbrevity, that some commanders fell for their native tongue and may have used words that are not quite to military standards. Also both documents appear in the telepraph style.

Second document reads:
JG 2 I + II
34 aircraft Eger + Marienbad
Of those 24 took off for Erding
14 landed at Erding
From there to Holzkirchen and other airfields
II JG 2 ground units during march to Erding overcome by enemy near Cham
Kdre Oberstltn. Bühligen left prior to transfer via car direction Erding. Whereabouts unknown. The commander of II/782 reports Kdre has not arrived in Erding
Collection camp near Kufstein

Reagrds,

Norbert

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

End of messages is not II/782, but II/JG 2.

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Thanks for the correction,

Norbert

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Does not Lw.Kdo. West (Lw.Kdo. West gemeldet) appear third line from the bottom? :)

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Hallo Rasmussen,

Ich hätte auch "geplatzt" wohl wie "aufgelöst" verstanden. Oder wäre "zerstreut" besser ? Anyway it's OK for me. Thank you very much for your comment !

Hals und Beinbruch
Jean-Yves

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

YEP!

Thanks to everyone for help!

Re: Lft.Kdo.6 - 3 Mai 45 - What do you read?
 

Hallo Jean - Yves,

"geplatzt" wäre im deutschen Sprachgebrauch bzw. im Dialekt auch unter Stress mehr als seltsam - "aufgelöst" ist normal.

"Geplatzt" or not ... I think it's an more theoretical discussion about my mother tongue. The sense is clear and that's the most important thing.

Best wishes
Rasmussen