Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Hermann Jochems spent over 2 years of the war flying recon missions for Stab./StG2/SG2. On 20 August 1944 his ju87D-5 forced down behind the Russian lines and he was taken prisoner.
Aircraft on-hand records show the only D-5 losses for SG2 in August were 24 from III. Gruppe and 1 from 10. Staffel.
Can someone please tell me the codes, if known, for the D-5 he flew that day?
Thank you
Peter

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

1944-08-20, 4.(F)/11, Ju 188 D-2, 150224, 6M+DM, Bei Baranowitschi
Flugzeugführer Olt Jochems, Hermann, gefangen
Beobachter Hptm Bock, Albert, gefangen
Bordfunker Ofw Gruber, Friedrich, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Stillger, Bruno, vermißt
Bordschütze Gefr Westphal, Werner, vermißt
Notlandung infolge Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %. Start 08.22.

Matti

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Thank you very much, Matti.
This is a surprise. I was wondering how one could fly long-range recon in a Ju87, but that's the only a/c I (thought I) knew he flew. There's not much information about Recon units readily available.
Was part of 4.(F)/11 attached to SG2, or is the information that Jochems was with SG2 wrong?
Thanks again!
Peter

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Hermann Jochems was since autumn 1938 a pilot in the Stabsstaffel/StG 2. That was a reconnassance unit equipped with the Do 17 and later the Bf 110. The unit was disbanded in June 1943 and in April 1944 Jochems became the pilot of Hptm. Bock, who was the Staffelkapitän of 4.(F)/11. Albert Bock had also been a long-standing member of Stabsstaffel/StG 2.

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Thank you very much Gerhard for the invaluable information, and the lesson that what one reads on the internet, even from otherwise reliable sources, must always be taken very carefully as it could well be some way from the truth!
Peter

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Attached is scan from 4./11 Kriegschronik.

regards,
Pawel

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Thank you Pawel. A nice addition to my Jochems file.
Peter

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Gentlemen, see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=249308 . Pawel, you have a private message.

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Hello, Matti!
I'm historian of aviation from Belarus.
In my article in "Aviation and Astronautics" russian magazine
this craft is shot down by Semenov/Mitsenkov 439 IAP PVO from Baranovichi airfield. (Dmitry Kienko, almer@tut.by )

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Hello, Matti!
Thanks for the info, I found this plane on the site of the fall a few years ago.
Does anyone have information about losses of distant reconnaissance crews Ju-88 (Ju-188) over Belarus?

21.08.44
25.08.44

Dmitry Kienko
Minsk

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Sorry, no Fernaufklärer Ju 88 (Ju 188) losses in that area in August 1944.

Matti

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Maybe
26.10.44
20.12.44

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

When checking my database I found that there are no long-range reconnaissance Ju 188 losses in Belarus after 20 Aug 1944. The last Ju 88 loss was 14 July 1944. Of course it is possible that I have misidentified location of the loss and put it into a wrong country in my files, but this is impossible to me to clarify.

Matti

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Hello Dmitry,

It is great that you were able to find the wreckage after so many years. Were there enough identifiable parts remaining on site that you could confirm the identity of this specific Ju 188?

I will take this opportunity to mention that your article in the August 2017 issue of Aviatsiya and Kosmonavtika, the Russian semi-official aviation magazine, makes for a very interesting read. I was not aware of your work when I wrote my blog post, but I am glad we reached very similar conclusions concerning the incident on 20 August. I am struck, after reading the first half of your article, by the fact that so many German aircraft were reported shot down without any attempt being made by Soviet authorities to search for wreckage or crew members. You reflect on this yourself in your excellent article.

Regards,

Dan

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

Maybe, west part of Belarus is ex-Poland.
The Germans could call Grodno, Baranovichi, Brest like "Polish cities, or Polish region's"

Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question
 

You wrote "The last Ju 88 loss was 14 July 1944." But 20/8/44 Ju-188 was shot down near Baranovitchi.
1944-08-20, Ju 188 D-2, 150224, 6M+DM, Flugzeugführer Olt Jochems, Hermann.

Of course for russian pilot's all rec. "Ju" was "Ju-88"