Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Dear all,

I am looking for additional info on the following four Nachtjagd losses sustained on the night of 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945, all aircraft being engaged in Nachtschlacht (ground attack) sorties:


1./NJG4 Ju88 G-1 3C+LL (Uffz. Gruner and crew) WNr. 713755: where did the aircraft crash? (the a/c sortied to the St. Dizier-Paris area).

4./NJG1 Bf110 G-4 G9+GP (Uffz. Mikusky and crew) WNr. 140207: where did the aircraft crash (in Belgium?).

5./NJG2 Ju88 G-6 4R+KN (Uffz. Schulte and crew) that crashed at Palenberg, north of Aachen: what was the a/c's WNr?

5./NJG2 Ju88 G-6 4R+EN (Ofw. Kurz and crew) that crashed near Charleroi: what was the exact crash location and what was the a/c's WNr?


Cheers and thanks for any details, Theo

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Hi Theo,

I've emailed you some information separately.

1./NJG4 Ju88 G-1 3C+LL (Uffz. Gruner and crew) WNr. 713755: where did the aircraft crash? (the a/c sortied to the St. Dizier-Paris area).
Sorry, can't help you on the crash location of W.Nr. 713755 (3C+LL), but two crew are buried at Andilly (Meurthe-et-Moselle).

4./NJG1 Bf110 G-4 G9+GP (Uffz. Mikusky and crew) WNr. 140207: where did the aircraft crash (in Belgium?).
Once again, I can't help with the crash location of 140207 (G9+GY/GP), but two crew are buried at Lommel.

5./NJG2 Ju88 G-6 4R+KN (Uffz. Schulte and crew) that crashed at Palenberg, north of Aachen: what was the a/c's WNr?
Ju88G-6 W.Nr. 620872 (4R+KN).

5./NJG2 Ju88 G-6 4R+EN (Ofw. Kurz and crew) that crashed near Charleroi: what was the exact crash location and what was the a/c's WNr?
Ju88G-6 W.Nr. 620810 (4R+EN/EW)

Cheers

Rod

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Excellent mate -cheers and thanks for these additional details, which will be put to good use in the preparation of the final map in vol 5 of the 1944 NCA series.

Cheers, Theo

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Hello Theo,

Probably crashed North of Charleroi, near Pont-à-Celles (same location as Herget in June 1944); but I don't know the exact crashplace. One killed, two POW IIRC. Brought down by AAA.

Best regards.

ClinA-78

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Thanks Nicholas for sharing these interesting details.

Cheers, Theo

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

140207, started from Werl nd giver to hv crashed near Werl, inspected by americans in ..1947 at that time crew given a conventional rest place, seems to be G9+GY nd unit changed from II. to IV. group
620872 could be 620172, but a 4R+KN as 620872 is documented in nov. 44
620810 EN or EM...
Rémi

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Hello,
The aircraft of Mikuski's crew was ju88G4 "G9 + GY" crashed at "Heer sur Meuse".
The crew consisted of:
uffz Konrad Mikuski,
Alfred Overbeck,
Heinz Hermann Gobrecht.
I believe that my information comes from the book "the air war in the Ardennes vol3"

cordially
Joel

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

In the GQM loss return 16 Jan 1945 item 152 the loss of the Bf 110 G-4 140207 was related to the IV./NJG 1. According to an amendment (GQM 28 Jan 1945) this entry was to change: "Ändere Verband in II./NJG 1".
This fits with the code G9+GP.

Regards
Leo

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Right, Rottler, but in the HW5 644, they are speaking of GY, but they could be wrong , who knows ? You ?
Rémi

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Gobrecht & Overbeck of Mikusky crew were initially buried at US Cemetery Henri-Chapelle.

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Schneider of Kurz crew was initially buried at US Cemetery Fosse. No further details on crash location. Only "Near Charleroi" from the ADI(K).

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Thanks a lot gentlemen for adding new info to my queries -much appreciated!

I have now identified and documented 15 Nachtjagd losses during the Nachtschlacht operations on the night of 31.12.44-1.1.45, plus three on 'regular' Nachtjagd operations.

Cheers, Theo

Re: Additional info sought about four Nachtjagd (Nachtschlacht) losses, 31 December 1944 - 1 January 1945
 

Oh yes, I missed this one and I confirm the crashplace, 1 km NE Heer s/M(B).

ClinA-78