info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Looking for information about Fockewulf Fw190A3 crashed in the vicinity of Vinkel near Den Bosch,The Netherlands. Aircraft crashed otr crashlanded 7 August 1942. Werkenummer 2213 unit IV/JG1. Who was the pilot and did he survived the crash??? Any info is more than welcome.
Thanks,
Adrian

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Conflicting information? See https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/52631
Perhaps JG 1 experts can tell more.

Winkeln and Hardt are on west side of Mönchen-Gladbach.

Regards,
Leendert

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

It would appear the pilot survived without any injuries hence his name was not recorded

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

132213
Thats wrknr 132213 not 2213

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Then quite coincidental with info about Wnr. 2213 and Wnr. 132213, apparently both belonging to IV/JG1, crashing on the same day....
Actual loss cards for both may give the answers.
Vinkel and Winkeln mixed up?

Regards,
Leendert

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Hello Leendert,

That will making any sence and have not a thought about this!! I have asked around in the village and hist soc and no one could confirm this. It looks like that indeed Winkeln and Vinkel mixed up. I don't know the source for the info about the crash at Vinkel. Thank you very much (also Schnautzer, Chris) for your participation. Cheers, Adrian

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

stated on https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/52631 that IV/JG1 was stationed at München Gladbach. Found on the web that this unit was based at Woensdrecht. Any clues??

Regards and again many thanks,
Adrian

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

During August 1942 the unit bas based at:
Stab and 12.Staffel Münchengladbach
10.Staffel Schiphol
11.Staffel Bergen op Zoom.

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

WNr. 2213 and 132213 refer to the same machine - it all depends from where you find the loss information. Prior to 1943 the losses were generally reported by the LW with, at most 4 digits, i.e. 2213, whereas a lot of published sources like to tack on a leading digit or two to give a 5 or 6-digit WNr. An FW 190A-3 might show up as WNr. 132213, 32213 or 2213 - all usually referring to the same machine. If it had been an A-2? WNr. 122213, 22213 or just 2213. It can all be quite confusing for the A-2s and A-3s. (There can be similar issues with A-4s, A-5s and A-6s too.)

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Many ,Many Thanks Merlin and Jim P. for clearing these things up. I think that there was a mixed up as Winkeln- Vinkel.

Cheers,
Adrian

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

The GQM loss list says "Winkel-Hart" literally.....I think we can assume this identical with a location between the villages Winkeln and Hardt, close to München-Gladbach a/f.

The record in the SGLO must be wrong, we will try to determine where that information came from. The process of updating all the SGLO loss list records is an ongoing process.

John

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

I gather Jim is quite correct

The A-2/A-3 versions were produced intermixed (if I understood it right)
Had 2213 been an A-2 it would have carried WNr 012213 but since it was an A-3 it carried 0132213 instead.

Cheers
Stig

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Hello John, I am researching the Vinkel area on crashed aircraft during WW2 as we will add some memorials on every crashsite. When i looked on the BHIC website I found the FW190 as described but no source for the information. I would guess the SGLO crashlist, which is obviously wrong as well. I think Winkeln and Vinkel mixed up.
Cheers and Many Thanks for your contribution,
Adrian

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Just as a small aside: the spelling really is Mönchengladbach and not München-Gladbach.

Regards,
Leendert

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

Münchengladbach became renamed to Mönchengladbach in 1950.

Re: info sought about FW190A3 crashed 7 August 1942 in Holland
 

OK! Wasn't aware of that, thanks.

Leendert