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Larry 26th September 2006 00:51

Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
I understand that Ltn. Hans Schneider of Erg/JG2 claimed a Blenheim at 15.10 on 17th July 1941 which may be Blenheim P4832 of the Special Duty Flight. But can anyone say where Erg / JG2 were based & operating on that afternoon?

Thanks in advance

robert 26th September 2006 08:23

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Hi,

this Blenheim was claimed at 15.10 over Cherbourg. The 1.Erg/JG2 was based from 21.06.42 till ?.11.41 in Theville and took part in combat missions against british "Non-Stop Offensive" claiming 13 british planes between 10.07.41 and 12.10.41.

Regards

Robert

Larry 26th September 2006 21:30

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Thanks Robert,

I assume you mean 21.06.1941

robert 26th September 2006 21:41

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Yes. I did.

Robert

Larry 26th September 2006 23:10

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
The fact that Blenheim P4832 ditched about 15 miles north of Cherbourg with one engine on fire at about 15.15 hours does suggest to me that it was shot down by Schneider of 1.Erg/JG2.

Also it seems to be the only RAF Blenheim lost that day as I can't find any Blenheim losses from Fighter, Bomber or Coastal Command for 17th July 1941 or any similar looking types like a Beaufort or Beaufighter in the Cherbourg area.

One point is over the time - was 15.15 hours in the L/Waffe report the same as UK time?

robert 27th September 2006 08:11

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Hi Larry,


take a look here:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=5836


Regards

Robert

Larry 27th September 2006 23:39

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Robert,

Thanks for all your help. It really is greatly appreciated. The son of the pilot of Blenheim P4832 will be amazed. According to the thread you gave the link for, the time was the same in Occupied NW Europe as in England - and presumably France, so the 1.Erg/ JG2 victory claim for the Blenheim at 15.15 hrs was the very time in the UK that contact was lost with P4832 - and in the same area as the claim - and the only Blenheim lost that day on ops in NW Europe!

This Forum never ceases to amaze me!

Larry 27th September 2006 23:59

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Now all I would like to do is find a photo of Ltn Hans Schneiders Bf 109!

Would 1.Erg/ JG2 have been equipped with the Bf 109F-2 or still had E's for training?

robert 28th September 2006 07:23

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Hi,


in this time the 1.Erg./JG2 still had Emils.


Robert

Larry 2nd October 2006 01:36

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Robert,

Are the combat reports for 1.Erg./JG2 for this date available? If so where are they held?

robert 2nd October 2006 09:51

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Hi Larry,


I think you should contact Jochen Prien. He is a member of this forum.
Unfortunately I can`t give you reliable answer.


Regards


Robert

Larry 11th April 2007 00:26

Re: Erg/JG2 operations on 17th July 1941
 
Sorry to return with an old post but in the Luftwaffe Claims list for Reichwest 1941 it says in the notes next to the claim for the Blenheim on 17/7/41 - Film C2036/11 Anerk Nr 6 and on a separate line Ref. C Goss JG2 MSS.

Am I right in thinking the Film Ref. is to the Microfiche of the original document in annex 6 - rather than gun camera footage!

Perhaps Chris Goss can explain MSS to me as only HSS appears in the notes to the Losses.

Thanks in advance


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