JG54 Victories
 

21Sep44
Uffz Frindolin Bachhuber 15./JG54 16:20 P-47
Uffz Ernst Egerer (Egener?) 16./JG54 16:25 P-47

56th FG Losses on 21Sep44:
P-47 (42-26316) 2nd Lt Oscar Cagle (KIA)
P-47 (43-25515) 2nd Lt Harold Spicer (KIA) near Denekamp

25Sep44
Maj. Wolfgang Spaete Stab IV/JG54 18:02 Mitchell
Lt Alfred Budde 14./JG54 18:02 Mitchell
Uffz Klaus Gehring 14./JG54 18:01 Mitchell
Lt Heinrich Sterr 16./JG54 18:05 Mitchell

RAF 98 Sqn Losses 25Sep44
B-25 (FW194)
B-25 (FW211)

26 Sep44 14:20
Maj Wolfgang Spaete Stab IV
Spitfire 416 Sqn RAF Flt Lt G.R. Patterson (POW) SSE of Doetinchem (Arnheim)

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27Aug44
Uffz Hans Goetzelt 15./JG54 16:21 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
Uffz Fridolin Bachhuber 15./JG54 16:30 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
Lt Hans Ransmayer (Claims)
Yak-9 (16:15), Yak-9 (16:17), Yak-9 (16:19), Yak-9 (16:26)
Uffz Hanno Ott (Claim) Airacobra (16:23)

Douglas A-20 1GMTAP loss not on Tony Woods list so unk at this time who shot it down.

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Hello
Oscar Cagle of 56th FG crashed at Saasveld (Weerselo)
Harold Spicer crashed near Lochem this a/c was recovered by the ARGA
www.arga-nl.nl

Mitchell II FW-211 - 98 sq crashed at Neerbosch(Dorpstraat 148/150)
Mitchell II FW-194 - 98 sq crashed at Arnhem

regards
karl lusink

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From thread of Laurent Rizzoti & members (27Jan06): Libua 28Oct44

Maj. Erich Rudorffer Stab II/JG54
Il-2 (11:46), Il-2 (11:47), Il-2 (11:48), Il-2 (11:49), Il-2 (11:50), Il-2 (11:53), Il-2 (11:53), Il-2 (11:54), Il-2 (11:56)
Uffz Hugo Broch II/JG54
Il-2 (11:44), Il-2 (11:46)
Fw Kurt Tangerman Stab II/JG54
Il-2 (11:47), Il-2 (11:48)
Lt Gerhard Thyben II/JG54
Il-2 (11:54)
Obfhr Ludwig Boees 2./JG54 (not mentioned original thread)
Il-2 (12:25), Il-2 (12:27)

VVS losses on raid:
Il-2 47 ShAD KBF M. Lt Yurii Petrovich Zakharchenko & gunner (KIA)
9 km SW of Libua
Il-2 8 GShAD (?)
Il-2 8 GShAD (?)

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3 of 16 Verified Victories -That's pretty bad -any ostenisble reason.

Rob Romero

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06Apr41 Pecs, Hungary
Wolfgang Spaete 5./JG54
12:00 Blenheim I (RYAF 8 Bomber Wing)

07Apr41
Lt. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG54
17:50 Hurricane I (Ind. Esk. JKRV Kp Danio Gribic-WIA)

19Jul41 Oesel Island
Uffz Otto Fischer 1.(Erg)/JG54 19:21 I-15
Lt Walter Nowotny 1.(Erg)/JG54 19:24 I-15
Nowotny 19:25 I-15
(No VVS losses per research by Andrey Dikov)

03Mar43
Oblt Hans Beisswenger 6./JG54
14:53 LaGG-3 (32 GIAP)
14:57 LaGG-3 (32 GIAP St. Lt Ivan Kholdov)
(from www.luftwaffe.cz )

17Mar44 Baltic Sea
Oblt Erwin Leykauf 11./JG54 10:50 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF Lt. Sharygin)

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Hello!

I started wondering the above as IV/JG54 was at the time based at Tartu (Dorpat, Estonia) minus the 12./JG54 which was at Petseri (Pechory). In other words nowhere near the Gulf of Filnland.

In Wood's list is given grid 99553. More precisely it's 25 Ost 99553 and the location is near Pljussa (about midway between Pskov and Luga).

I find it unlikely that the Boston Leykauf claimed was the 1 GMTAP/Sharygin one. If it indeed was the one they were far away from their normal operation area. Which was Baltic Sea, more precisely Gulf of Finland area in March 1944.

The claim-loss matches are not an easy "business" and are prone to errors.


Regards,
Kari

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Kari, The match for JG54 was already done on www.bellabs.ru/51/ . Leykauf was the only one that I could find to match that day in JG54. As far as the grids go, I tried to get someone to locate one that should have been in Russia but came up in Poland. Maybe it was an error on the grid or the person with the 1GMTAP history but they were a naval bomber unit hitting naval and transport targets. Maybe the answers can come up on this thread.

Best regards,
Nokose

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47 ShAP KBF raid on Libua 14Dec44 lost 10 Il-2's one being Lt Col. Nelson Georgievich Stepanyan & crew (KIA). Seven other crews were also KIA.
(See www.allaces.ru ) All from attacks by FW-190's. No listing on Tony Woods list.

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Overall, in this raid, 13 Il-2s were lost, they were considered both victims of FW-190 and AAA.
3 other planes (1 Yak-9 and 2 A-20s, the Bostons were both shot down by AAA) were lost on this raid, for a final total of 16 aircraft.
10 Il-2s were also damaged.
21 enemy planes were claimed shot down by soviet pilots.

All this according to "Aviatsiya VMF v Velikoi Otechestvennoi Voine".


According to John Weal's Osprey book " Jagdgeschwader 54 'Gruenherz' ", JG54 claimed 44 victories that day.

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Oblt Gerhard Thyben 7./JG54
14Dec44 12:16 Il-2 07 632
14Dec44 12:24 Il-2 07 661

Maj. Franz Eisenach Stab I/JG54
14Dec44 12:11 Il-2 7466
14Dec44 12:15 Il-2 7635

Do you know any of the other JG54 pilots involved in that raid or that day?

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16Sep42 10:30- (Moscow)
Mayor Viktor Alexandrovich Rozhdestvenskii (KIA) (Last name translates as Christmas) 12 IAE KBF was shot down in his MiG-3 attacking a lone Ju-88 after two Bf-109's dived on him. He departed from Vystav but his crash location was Zhikharevo.

JFV 9/III by Jochen Prien

8./JG54 Lt Hans-Joachim Heyer MiG-3 (36) 09:50 PlQu. 10271
8./JG54 Uffz Arthur Stern MiG-3 (6) 09:56 PlQu. 10271

6./JG54 Fw Alfred Dettke MiG-3 (24) 10:05 PlQu 10244

I don't know which PlQu equates closer to Zhikharevo. If it's 10271 it's a over claim by by Heyer or Stern.

Mayor Viktor Rozhdestvenskiy
 

Hello Nokose

I used the Luftwaffe grid location map calculator at www.gyges.dk/LUMA.xls and if I am using it correctly, which is a very big if, I got that the two claims by Heyer and Stern are closer to Zhikharevo (Zhicharevo on the map) than the claim by Dettke. Heyer's and Stern's claim are about four miles to the west and Dettke's claim is about six and a half miles north-northwest of Zhicharevo by my results. Please note that I used 36 Ost as the prefix. If anyone else would care to compare these results to those of their own it would be a nice thing as I am not very sure how to use that calculator correctly.

Horrido!

Leo

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Rozhdestvenskiy's crash was suppose to be close enough to Zhikharevo for the towns people to bury him. So it must have been a sharp glide down to the crash point.

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22Oct42 Lake Ladoga
Source: BC/RS #3 by Bergstrom, Dikov and Antipov
German attempt to capture the island of Sukho
VVS losses: 3 Il-2 and 2 I-15

Source: The Butchers of Yu. A. The Guardsmen of the Balyic Wing by I.I. Tsapov and V.N. Konev
22Oct42 14:45-14:50 (Moscow)
11 IAP KBF
I-15 Serz Drochenko (KIA)
I-15 Serz Prokofyev (KIA)

JFV 9/III by J. Prien
2./JG54 Oblt Siegfried Graf Matuschka I-15 (24) 13:55 PlQu 1161
2./JG54 Fw Herbert Broennle I-15 (33) 13:56 PlQu 1161

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Kari,
Reference Post #8 (18Feb07) for Erwin Leykauf. I looked at Tony Woods list and it doesn't have it listed as 25 Ost only 99553. If you look at 15Ost/99553 it's west of Estonia and in the Gulf of Finland area. I believe that's why they listed it to JG54. German sea convoys would have been in that area.

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Hello!

15Ost99553 is over Gotska Sandön-island which is Swedish territory on Baltic Sea. It is not Gulf of Finland area. Distance from Tartu (Dorpat) some 360 km.

25Ost99553 is near Pljussa some 130 km from Tartu. Though Leykauf may have flown also from Pskov. Leykauf claimed over German 18th Army area (see attachment).

Decide yourself which one is the more likelier.

Cheers,
Kari

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Kari,
I looked at it again and they have that plane being lost in the Baltic Sea with credit for it's loss as 11./JG54. The PlQu that I looked at in JFV 6/II shows it as open sea above that island. It also showed that they had been making raids in the Tallin area in days before this incident.

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Hello!

Please. Consider the geography also. Took a look of this map for example:
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Index/Map-Baltic800.html

In my mind there is no doubt whatsoever that Leykauf did NOT claim his Boston over Baltic Sea. Gotska Sando is not near Tallinn for heaven's sake.

What is possible is that the 1 GvMTAP Boston was on one of the "standard" return routes from Baltic Sea which went over Bay of Riga towards East until over frontline and then back to home base. This would take the plane to the area near Pljussa. A PoW interrogation protocol explains these routes and this I have learned after my posting in Feb 2007 (#8).

In other words I find it now plausible that it indeed was 1 GvMTAP Boston. But the shoot-down location is over land, near Pljusssa.


Regards,
Kari

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11Sep42 08:16- (Moscow)
9 Hurricanes of 3GIAP KBF escorted 4 Pe-2's of 73 BAP KBF
1st Pe-2 was shot down then the Hurricane of Mayor Alexandr Fyodorovich Myasnikov (3 victories and 15 shared; KIA). 2nd Pe-2 was damaged and escorted back to base.

JFV 9/III by Jochen Prien
9./JG54 Oblt Karl Frentzel-Beymo Pe-2 (8) 07:25 00264
9./JG54 Obfw Wilhelm Schilling MiG-3 (44) 07:30 00264
3./JG54 Obfw Rudolf Rademacher Pe-2 (21) 07:30 0025

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Thanks, Nokose!

For that day I find two Mig-3 claimed by Wilhelm Schilling, both same location, but one at 1800m, the other at 600m... (Anerkennungsnummer 277 and 278)

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The other one according to JFV9/III was at 11:50 which I don't have anything.

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23Aug43
Oblt Robert Weiss 3/JG54
17:00 Pe-2 60123
17:05 Pe-2 60133
17:07 Pe-2 60132
Ofw Anton Doebele 1/JG54
17:01 Pe-2 60154
Lt Gerhard Loos 1/JG54
17:02 Pe-2 60762
17:04 Pe-2 61813

11 Pe-2's of the 82 BAP (escorted by 193 IAP)
loss 4 Pe-2's to fighters and 1 to flak

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18Aug43
Tony Woods List
Oblt Walter Nowotny 1./JG54
07:49 Il-2 6013
Lt Gerhard Loos 1./JG54
07:49 Il-2 60163
07:51 Il-2 60163
Uffz Hans Gruebert 1./JG54
07:52 Il-2 60191

18 Il-2 667 ShAP
Losses: 6 Il-2 (Including one force landing, Major Rymshin)
(Source: Над Огненной Дугой by Vitalie Gorbac)

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Hello,

Any updated information on this issue? Dikov stated that there were 3 I-15s and 1 Yak-1. No information to which aircraft St Lt Babernov was flying but probably the Yak ?

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St. Lt. Babernov (Dikov didn't have his first name) was flying the Yak-1. From Nowotny's on story he believed it was his wingman rejoining him.

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Yes. Just what I was thinking. Very odd to mistake a 109 for a I-15, with or without the white spinner.
I'm still curious about the fact that are no losses on Soviet records.
But, on the other hand, I find it hard to believe that Nowotny forged his first victories.

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I don´t know if it is helpfull for your efforts, but Gerhard Loos was my grandpa, I have a detailed list of his verified air victories. If you want me to post it here just tell me it can also be seen here http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=13295

greetings

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Hello Nokose,

07Apr41
Lt. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG54
17:50 Hurricane I (Ind. Esk. JKRV Kp Danio Gribic-WIA)

Captain Danilo Grbic parachuted from burning Hurricane. He was badly wounded and died couple of hours later due to blood loss. So you may change it to KIA.

Regards
GT

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Good Evening Gents!
I know this is a very old thread, but it's rumoured that gun camera film
exists of this attack, maybe at IWM, maybe in one of the departments of the Bundesarchiv…
I'm researching this incident for family history reasons. Any help appreciated.

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This is an old thread for me from almost my beginning here but I don't like to post bad information. On Post #7 I obtained some information from www.luftwaffe.cz that had Oblt. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG 54 shooting down two LaGG-3 on the 03 Mar 1943 belonging to the 32 GIAP (one of the Soviet pilots being Ivan Mikhaylovich Kholodov). I checked in Prien's JFV 12/III and he did not make any claim for two LaGG-3 on that date and also checked JFV 9/III and no claim. So I don't have any idea where that information came from on that site. I try a lot harder to confirm my information now but don't list for JG 54. If I find anymore mistakes I'll post.

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Another correction this time for Post #24. The Pe-2s were from the 82 GBAP (1 GBAD) and were led this day by Mayor Vasiliy Grigor'evich Pchelkin (MIA). So not the 82 BAP. Considering the number of losses claimed instead 4 Pe-2 to fighters and 1 Pe-2 to AAA (Some Soviet planes listed as AAA also fell to German fighters because they were already damaged and the Soviets didn't see the finish off. It might actually be 5 Pe-2 to fighters.)

In Tony Woods list it has Weiss claiming a Pe-2 at 17:07 on the 23 Aug 1943 but now that I have Prien's JFV 12/III it shows this is incorrect. It lists Weiss shooting down an Airacobra (54) at 17:07. So here is the corrected.

3./JG 54 Oblt Robert Weiss Pe-2 (52) 17:00 35 Ost/60123
" Pe-2 (53) 17:05 60133
1./JG 54 Obfw Anton Doebele Pe-2 (63) 17:01 60154
1./JG 54 Lt. Gerhard Loos Pe-2 (77) 17:02 60762
" Pe-2 (78) 17:04 61813

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22 September 1942
The 6 VA ordered a reconnaissance mission into the area of Staraya Russa. The Pe-2 from 8 ODRAE flown by Starshiy Leytenant Mineev took off for the mission. Over Lake Ilmen it was attacked by a Bf 109 and shot down. Mineev and his navigator Starshiy Leytenant Petrov escaped by parachute. The Pe-2 went down near the island of Voitsy with the gunner, Starshiy Serzhant Yakov Malaukh near the east bank of the lake.

Unteroffizier Friedrich Lüer 4/JG 54 Pe-2 (1) 07:44 at PlQu. 1967- at 5600 m.

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30 May 1942
In the area of Vsevolozhaya, the I-16 from 286 IAP flown by Flight commander Mladshiy Leytenant Mikhail Aleksandrovich Gorbachev was shot down with the pilot perishing. The possible victor was Oberleutnant Hans Götz of 1/JG 54 who claimed an I-16 (27) at 18:03.

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Greeting,

as the Normandie-Niemen Memorial asked me the question for a ceremony, I also share the information with you:
On October 15 at 11:40 a.m. (Soviet time), 8 Yak took off for a troop protection mission in the Lenino-Baevo sector (on the Belarus - Russia border - 65 km WSW of Smolensk). At 12 p.m., they engage in combat with 4 FW-190s.
Result: claim 2 FW-190 destroyed and 2 damaged (no trace seems to me of such loss in the German archives)
1 Yak-9 is shot down, pilot Lt Léo Barbier. On the 25th, the Soviets informed the French that he had been buried at Ivanovka/
On Oct 15, 1943, Ulrich Wohnert of 2./JG 54 claimed a LaGG-3 at 300m at 10:04 a.m. (German time or 12:04 p.m. Soviet time) in sector 15 534 (NE Gorki).
The village of Ivanovka is 6.5 km from the center of sector 15334/

The time and the place are concordant, the victory is thus confirmed "scientifically".

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Courtois

Which sector is correct, 15534 or 15334?

Yes I know I can check other sources, but now feel it is perhaps time to state I have very serious knee/leg problems.
Once I manage to reach my computer, I am pretty much stuck there. I also hate sitting and wailing.....:mad:

Cheers
Stig

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hi! Thanks again for the correction!!!
15334 is correct, you can also check on your phone to save your knees...
And I have serious eyesight problems, especially with the miniscuke letters from TOCH, and the last ophthalmologist I saw told me to close one eye and you'll see. 8 years of study to get here.... We are treated better in a UN dispensary in Somalia than in a French clinic...
So thank you for being sympathetic to my blindness.

Cheers

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Thanks Courtois

Looks like it is pretty much downhill with both of us....:o

Take Care
Stig