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Michal 10th August 2007 21:02

Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Hello,

how many Bf 110G-4 served in Hungarian Air Force during WW2? Only eight with serials M-101 to M-108? Or more? And does somebody knows WNr. of those planes?

Is it known which serial carried Bf 110G-4 crashed on December 5 1944 (Lajos Göcsei, István Loósz) and December 12 1944 (Tibor Dérenscei, Károly Fekete).

Is known when crashed Bf 110G-4 (István Rózsa, László Hancsics)?

Is known which Fw 58 Weihe used second group of Hungarian Nightfighters? Are known serials or WNr.?

Were first group of Hungarian Nightfighters on Wiener-Neustadt A/F operational?

Thanks for help

Michal

Revi16 10th August 2007 22:39

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
I'm not sure how accurate this is,

Advanced Trainers
G.221 Fw 58K-7, E-1, K-8 (52)
G.801 Focke Wulf FW 58 (22)
G2 + 47, G2 + 58, Meteorological flight G. 235

Transports
S.001 Focke Wulf 58 K1/2 (3)
S0 +03

Hungarian Fighter Codes
V.951 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-2 (3)

Night Fighters
M.102 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 (15)

5/1 Night Fighter Squadron equipped with Bf 110G-4

Regards,
Mike

Csaba B. Stenge 10th August 2007 23:42

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
The squadron received 10 planes and the correct spelling of some names are: Derencsényi and Loós. I published an article about this unit in 1999 (and collected in the last years many new details also)
ATM I'm very busy, contact me off board.

George Hopp 11th August 2007 02:49

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Could you pass on the info about Hungarian Bf 110 G-4s, as I thought that only Romania received Bf 110 G-4s.

Thank you, Csaba, for any information you might pass on.
George

Csaba B. Stenge 11th August 2007 11:46

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Hopp (Post 48452)
Could you pass on the info about Hungarian Bf 110 G-4s, as I thought that only Romania received Bf 110 G-4s.

Thank you, Csaba, for any information you might pass on.
George


George,

According to my knowledge, the Romanians did not use the SN-2 equipped Bf 110 G-4 is combat, they used just earlier versions. Hungary did use this variant as night fighter with an oprational unit for months in the last stage of the war.

Seaplanes 11th August 2007 13:26

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
According to Bundesarchiv-Militararchiv RL 2 III/647 Stand über Lieferungen Kriegsgerät Ausland Flugzeuge 31.12.1944:
Ungarn (Hungary) 12 Bf 110 in November 1944 ausgeliefert für Nachtjagd.

From Imperial War Museum, London, copy of Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. Übersicht über dem Stand der Leiferungen an vebündete und befreundete Staaten (from 30.05.1943 - 29.02.1944):
3 Bf 110 in Mai 1943 ausgeliefert.
Apparantly three more aircraft were scheduled for delivery, but are not confirmed delivered as late as 29.02.44.

Unfortunately, none of the documents give the sub-version of Bf 110 delivered.

Michal 11th August 2007 13:55

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Thanks for help.

Csaba, PM have sent.

Best

Michal

Modeldad 11th August 2007 20:22

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Sarhidai, Punka and Kozlik in Hungarian Eagles (Hikoki) indicate the Hungarians had 12 Bf110G-4s numbered M.101 - 112. The function designated was "night fighter".

Dénes Bernád 12th August 2007 17:46

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
There were a total of 14 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4s in the MKHL, delivered as night fighters during late 1944/early 1945. They wore the following codes: M.101–M.114.

The sequence V.951–V.956, assigned to six Messerschmitt Bf 110E-4s and G-2s, was not actually used.

Stig Jarlevik 12th August 2007 17:57

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Denes

What is your source please of the 14 Bf110G delivered? Also why would the Hungarians give the Bf 110E serialnumbers following right after a batch of 50 Bf 109E? Are we sure V-951 to 956 are not cancelled 109E?

Cheers
Stig

Csaba B. Stenge 12th August 2007 19:32

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
The Hungarian Squadron did not receive 14 new SN-2 equipped planes (and even used less, that the mentioned 12)

George Hopp 12th August 2007 19:47

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
You're right about the radar equipment of the Romanian Bf 110s, Csaba. Somewhere I have a poor quality photo of a force-landed Romanian Bf 110 with FuG 202 antennas.

Thank you for the other information.

All the best,
George

Dénes Bernád 13th August 2007 17:53

Re: Hungarian Bf 110G-4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Csaba Becze (Post 48557)
The Hungarian Squadron did not receive 14 new SN-2 equipped planes (and even used less, that the mentioned 12)

As I said: "There were a total of 14 Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4s in the MKHL, delivered as night fighters during late 1944/early 1945." This, of course, doesn't necessarily mean all of them ended up in active service within the Hungarian night fighter squadron, as some could have been lost en-route, following acceptance, or before being impressed into active duty (e.g, due to bombing or strafing of airfields). The figures are based on German delivery documents.


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