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John Beaman 18th May 2010 22:27

J.E. Johnson claims
 
I have heard that Johnson did a study of Priller's claims because he did not believe them, but, found that most were verifiable. To put the shoe on the other foot, has there ever been a study of Johnson's claims to identify unit and pilot?

brewerjerry 19th May 2010 02:12

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi
I would love to see one to see what the italian FW-190 was he claimed over dieppe.
cheers
Jerry

Bruce Lander 19th May 2010 20:40

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi,

Dilip Sarkar's 2 volumes on Johnson "Spitfire Top Gun - 1 & 2" give some
tie-ins on his claims but only from his arrival at Kenley as Wing Leader.

Cheers

Bruce Lander

John Beaman 19th May 2010 21:38

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Thanks, Bruce. Is this a recent set of volumes?

Bruce Lander 19th May 2010 22:04

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi John.

Both on Amazon at £16.00 Vol 1(2002) & £1.00 Vol 2 (2005) well researched but slightly overly hero worshipping

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce Lander 19th May 2010 22:49

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi John,

finger trouble - Vol 2 should read £18.00 !!!

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce Lander 20th May 2010 20:56

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi,

I have spent a couple of hours perusing Johnny Johnson's claims using
"ACES HIGH", "SPITFIRE TOP GUN"," FIGHTER COMMAND WAR DIARIES", "2nd TAF" & "WING LEADER" as sources and note the following:-

His first claim the Do.17 shared damaged with "Cocky" Dundas on 15 Jan 1941 did in fact crash land at Antwerp 20% damaged it was 1174 of II/KG3

His 1st claim destroyed which is described in detail in "Wing Leader" a Bf.109E marked <+4 with a pilot who baled out near Gravelines is very hard to identify - Any ideas anyone ?

The next 5 + 1 shared were all 109's and are all in that period of high overclaiming by Fighter command and are almost impossible to verify

The next claims are a Fw190 and a shared Bf109F on 19 August 1942 over Dieppe are difficult to identify although they were witnessed by other pilots - Who was the guy in the 190 with Italian markings!! that
Johnson battled with wihout result ?

Of the remainder claimed as Wing Leader 1943-44 a total of 15 are identified against Luftwaffe losses ( I will post them later )

Cheers

Bruce Lander

John Beaman 21st May 2010 03:55

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Bruce:

Most interesting and thanks for working on this. I look forward to updates.

Bruce Lander 21st May 2010 22:24

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Hi John,

here are JEJ's claims 1943/44:- KENLEY WING


  1. 03.04.43 Fw.190 E.of Montreuil Uffz.Hans Hiess 6/JG.26
    11.05.43 Fw.190 Off Gravelines ?
    13.05.43 Fw.190 Berck Pilot b/o ?
    14.05.43 Fw.190 Nr Neuiport ?
    01.06.43 ½ Bf.109 Somme Estuary I/JG.27
    15.06.43 Fw.190 Yvetot I/JG.2
    15.06.43 Fw.190 Yvetot ?
    17.06.43 Fw.190 Ypres/St.Omer Uffz.Gunther Freyrag 8/JG.26
    24.06.43 Fw.190 S. of Fecamp I/JG.2
    27.06.43 Fw.190 W. of St.Omer ?
    15.07.43 Bf.109 Blangy I/JG.27
    25.07.43 Bf.109 E. of Schipol III/JG.54
    30.07.43 ½ Bf.109 W. of Schipol ?
    12.08.43 ½ Bf.109 Axel ?
    17.08 43 ½ Me.110 Nr.Ghent Me.110G-4 (5544) !/NJG.1
    23.08.43 Fw.190 Gosnay 10/JG.26
    26.08.43 Fw.190 Rouen ?
    04.09.43 Fw.190 Nr. Roubaix Stab/JG.26 Ofw.Walter Grunlinger

    144 WING

  1. 25.04.44 Fw.190 Dreux 12/JG.2
    Fw.190 Laon ?
    05.05.44 Fw.190 Douai II/JG.26 Fw.Horst Schwenk
    16.06.44 Fw.190 Villers Bocage I/JG.1
    22.06.44 Bf.109 W. of Argentan III/JG.26
    28.06.44 Bf.109 S.of Caen ?
    Bf.109 S.of Caen ?
    30.06.44 Bf.109 E. of Gace ?
    05.07.44 Fw.190 Alencon I/JG.11
    Fw.190 Alencon I/JG.11
    23.08 44 Fw.190 Senlis ?
    Fw.190 Senlis ?
    27.09.44 Bf.109 Rees on Rhine ?


    Corrections ,additions and comments welcomed


    Cheers


    Bruce Lander

brewerjerry 22nd May 2010 01:54

Re: J.E. Johnson claims
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander (Post 107158)
.......
Who was the guy in the 190 with Italian markings!! that
Johnson battled with wihout result ?

..............

Bruce Lander

Hi
Hope someone will one day be able to answer this, it has interested me for years...
cheers
jerry


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