Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

On the LEMB board, I saw that a member had posted the Me262 Logbook victory entries of Obstlt. Heinz Bar.
This is was was posted:

March 19,1945- 1 P-51 Mustang
March 21,1945 - 1 B-24 Liberator
March 24,1945 - 1 B-24 Liberator and 1 P-51 Mustang
April 4,1945 - 1 B-26 Marauder
April 9,1945- 2 B-26 Marauders
April 17 - 1 B-26 Marauders
April 18,1945 - 2 P-47 Thunderbolts
April 19,1945 - 2 P-51 Mustangs

These are the ones I can document with corresponding Allied losses:

April 4, 1945 - 323rd BG B-26 s/n 42-107593 -shot down by Me262
April 9, 1945 - 43-34334 (556th BS) shot down by Me 262 9/4/45. MACR 14379


Any ideas on the rest?

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

I should add that on March 19,1945, the 52nd FG reported an "attempted bounce by an Me262 on a flight of three Mustangs,but the P-51s quickly outmaneuvered the jet.
Realizing he had failed his attack, the German left the area."

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

Oskar-Heinz Bars claims with JV44 are:-

27th April 1945 2 x Thunderbolt's in the munchen/Riem area
29th April 1945 1 x Thunderbolt in the Bad aibling area

Regards

Johannes

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

Hi,

Here are the mission times from his logbook:

19.03.45, 12:15-13:00, one victory
21.03.45, 11:30-12:15: one victory
24.03.45, 11:17-12:20: two victories
04.04.45, 14:55-15:30: one victory
09.04.45, 09:45-10:20: two victories
17.04.45, 15:30-14:05: one victory
18.04.45, 10:48-11:18: two victories
19.04.45, 09:48-10:18: two victories


Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

Uhmmm, if we add up his jet victories, we get 15 instead of his 16 reported?

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

On the last page of his logbook :
"Letzer Abschuss Thunderbolt am 28.4.45 über Bad Aibling "
and
" ???, 4 Abschüsse, ???, bis 29.4.45 ?? eingetragen.
his hand writing difficult to decipher.
cheers Thierry

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

Kaki3152

In my notes, I recorded the following claims for Bar while in JV-44 from the book 'Me262 Combat Dairy' by Foreman

27.04.45 2 x Thunderbolts
28.04.45 1 x Thunderbolt
29.04.45 1 x Mosquito

From Thierry's reply it appears that this lines up with the log-book except for the questions surrounding the undecipherable last claim.

I only have my notes with me and not the book so I couldn't recheck to confirm (especially the type for the last claim).

Regards,

Craig...

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

If one of Bar's victories was a Mosquito then this could account for him claiming 16 kills instead of the stated 15. I believe Luftwaffe pilots were awarded 2 victories for each Mosquito shot down.

Regards
Phil

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

"The Germans differed radically from the Allies with the Luftwaffe's introduction of a complicated "points" system, instituted to bring a modicum of uniformity into the bestowal of higher decorations."

http://rhorta.home.xs4all.nl/jgscor.htm

Re: Heinz Bar's Me262 Victories
 

Phil,

The 12 mentioned in Kaki3152 orignal post was with III./EJG2 plus the 4 I mentioned in my earlier post (including the questionable last claim over a mosquito) = 16.

The points was for awards and his points would have been much higher if you take into consideration the 2 Liberators and 3 marauders mentioned in Kaki3152 post.

Hope someone with a copy of his log book can decipher that entry and clear up the issue of his last claim.

Regards,

Craig..