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Mikkel Plannthin 2nd February 2007 00:08

Mystery Me 109?
 
The 331 (N) Sqn ORB of 6 August 1944 refer to a mysterious Me 109.

"1 M.E. 109 was observed in the target area with roundel on fuselage. Red centre with white edge and a black cross in the centre."
http://danishww2pilots.dk/pilotsSort...&sortie_id=254

Is this a Bulgarian or Slovak aircraft or...?

Mikkel

Dénes Bernád 2nd February 2007 15:51

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikkel Plannthin (Post 36645)
The 331 (N) Sqn ORB of 6 August 1944 refer to a mysterious Me 109.

"1 M.E. 109 was observed in the target area with roundel on fuselage. Red centre with white edge and a black cross in the centre."
http://danishww2pilots.dk/pilotsSort...&sortie_id=254

Is this a Bulgarian or Slovak aircraft or...?

The description doesn't really make sense...

Kjetil Aakra 2nd February 2007 16:10

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
I wouldn't put too much credit on combat report statements on markings and camouflage, as cited above. Another well-known Norwegian pilot claimed the destruction of a Fw 190 with Italian markings!

The heat and fast pace of combat make such observations dubious at best.

Kjetil

Mikkel Plannthin 2nd February 2007 18:02

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Thanks Dénes and Kjetil,
I had the same thoughts. How the h... do you manage to se the details of markings passing another aircraft in combat?

Mikkel

Franek Grabowski 2nd February 2007 18:19

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Mikkel
You would be surprised with the ammount of details reported by Raymond Lallemant on his St Valentine's Day combat!
I am rather wondering what the pilot actually saw and what could have caused such an impression to him.

Mikkel Plannthin 2nd February 2007 19:21

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Franek,
I appriciate your point, that we need to disinguish between reporting and impressionism.

But then the question arise: what may this pilot have seen over Holland in August 1944 that bring him to report this? I just thought that it might have been a Slovak 109, but I would not have a clue as to such aircrafts being in the area
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreign/109-slovak.htm

Does not make much sence at all!

Mikkel

Franek Grabowski 2nd February 2007 20:39

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
You report what you see, and what you see is just an impression of actual object. Just do a sketch of the purpoted markings and then think, what could have done similar effect. I cannot see slovak cross in this respect.
BTW Why Holland?

Mikkel Plannthin 2nd February 2007 22:32

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Holland might be my mistake, but I translate Z.3257 into qZ3257 and use the grid converter that I was led to in another thread. This leads to a point on the coast West of Hoorn in Holland.

But I have to admit that now you ask I doubled checked and the 100 Lancasters rather sound like the Bois-de-Cassan mission. This does not correspond with the Z.3257, though. This coordinate is given in the 331 ORB as well as the 332 ORB.

Mikkel

Franek Grabowski 3rd February 2007 00:42

Re: Mystery Me 109?
 
Mikkel
There were several claims for heavy bombers at Pointoise area by III/JG26 and III/JG54. I suppose this was the very mission.


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