Battle for Kiev 1943: VVS order of battle - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

yogybär · #1 12th May 2006, 13:54

I am currently working on a OOB for my "planetable for Il-2", which is available on my homepage.

Latest results are, that the 2nd AirArmy participated in this battle, with the following units under its command:

5.ShAK (4.GShAD, 264.ShAD),

5.IAK(8.GIAD, 256IAD),

10.IAK (10.GIAD, 235IAD),

202 BAD,

227,291ShAD,

208NBAD,

50RAP

Who can contribute informations about

additional units
subordinated units (IAP's, ShAP's etc) and
the planetypes used (especially fighters, I suspect there were even P40's)
AF's used (afaik, they had only AF's far away from Kiew)

Thanks and have a nice weekend!

ftrbmr · #2 13th May 2006, 23:12

Hi,

This site contains a VVS orbat for the battle of kursk. It maybe of some help.

http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/pawel/index.html

Henry Weyers

Jens · #3 15th May 2006, 15:40

256. IAD included 728. IAP (Woroshejkin Commander: Wassilewski) and most problaby 91. IAP Commander Major Romanenko (was killed by own aaa in 1943, maybe before battle of kiev)

kurlannaiskos · #4 16th May 2006, 02:08

Thanks for the link !
some interesting stuff there.

yogybär · #5 16th May 2006, 12:21

This is just an update of teh first mail (thanks for the input, Henry!):

Latest results are, that the 2nd AirArmy participated in this battle, with the following units under its command:

5.ShAK (4.GShAD, 264.ShAD), eq.Il-2

5.IAK:
8.GIAD: 620.IAP?, 40.GIAP, 41.GIAP, 88.GIAP eq. (La5)
256IAD: 728IAP eq. Jak-7B, 91IAP eq. Jak-1, 32.IAP

10.IAK
10.GIAD: ?
235IAD: 3GIAP&181IAP eq.La5, 239IAP
201IAD (?): 13&437IAP eq.La5FN, 236IAP (Jak1)

202 BAD: ?

227,291ShAD, eq.Il-2

208NBAD, eq. Po-2

50RAP: ?

Who can contribute more informations about

additional units
subordinated units (IAP's, ShAP's etc) and
the planetypes used (especially fighters, I suspect there were even P40's)
AF's used (afaik, they had only AF's far away from Kiew)

Thanks!

Jens · #6 16th May 2006, 13:30

32. IAP most probably Yak-7B and possible Yak-9, but not Yak-1.

Jens · #7 16th May 2006, 13:33

40. and 41. GIAP La-5 or La-5F.

yogybär · #8 16th May 2006, 22:26

Thanks! Jens, is it possible that we know each other

?

ftrbmr · #9 17th May 2006, 04:56

There is this site:

http://allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p.dat

It is in Russian. (I use www.online-translator.com to convert to English) Each entry gives a brief summary of regiments, divisions, etc. of the VVS. There is a lot of data to sift through.

Henry

NBE1942 · #10 17th May 2006, 08:14

Some clerifying moments.

10 GIAD is the same as 201 IAD.
Regiments were promoted in the following order:
13 IAP - 111 GIAP (La-5)
236 IAP - 112 GIAP (Yak-1)
437 IAP - 113 GIAP (La-5)
No 620 IAP could be found in 8 GIAD neither during the Kiev battle, nor at other orders for battles. 927 IAP (La-5) was shortly assigned to 8 GIAD first for the Kursk battle and second time during battle for the Dnieper crossings and Kiev in september-october 1943.

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