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Old 12th May 2005, 03:00
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Re: Photos + 5-11-05

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Old 12th May 2005, 03:13
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The 3rd miscel. is an F, weisse 5 + ~. It might be from JG 52.
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Old 12th May 2005, 07:49
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Hi,

the third photo of Bf109`s group shows an a/c from JG53 (the part of crest is visible next to air intake).
This white 5 ~is from 7/JG54.

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Old 12th May 2005, 13:17
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Hi Robert:

I am curious how you determined that weisse 5 + ~ is from 7./JG 54? The caption on the back of the photo, which looks original, indicates the photo was taken 30-May-42 in Russia. My information indicates that the only 7./JG 54 loss that day was a 40% damaged in an emergency landing due to engine trouble. This would seem incompatible with the obvious enemy fire tail damage in the photo.
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Old 12th May 2005, 14:37
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Re: Photos + 5-11-05

Hi John,

another photos of this a/c are in Barbas "Aircraft of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces Part 2". This mount was flown by Unf.Gerhard Raimann.
But also basing on this photo we see:
- a hangar building typical for Siwerskaja airfield (III/JG52 was in this time in South of Russia)
- the shape of number 5 and wave line is typical for III/JG54 in this period (large and slim)
- beneth the cockpit you can see part of Gruen Herz badge (withe outlined)
So there are any reasons to say that this is an a/c from III/JG52

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Old 12th May 2005, 14:44
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Well, my only reason was that the damaged tail sorta matches a 40% damage of a III./JG 52 plane that was attributed to "enemy fighters" even though the damage certainly looks more like flak. Your arguments may be better than mine, especially given the hanger.


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Hi John,

I would like to support roberts argument. See the attached photos.
Could you tell us your source of JG54 losses?
I am working on a documentation of JG54 history and try to get every possible
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