1.Erg/JG3 on 21.08.1941

[Franek Grabowski]

Hello
Anybody can confirm if a morning claim from 21.08.1941 for a Spitfire by 1.Erg/JG3 was rejected?
Thanks

[John Beaman]

Prien and Bock says Anerk: Nr.194, C.2033/I

[Franek Grabowski]

Thanks John, so it looks it was confirmed anyway. Some chaos in my papers.

[Hans Nauta]

Hi Franek,

Perhaps interesting to know that the victim of Gefr Werner Schumacher, 1.Erg./JG3, was Spitfire P8370 PJ-? 'Oldham', flown by P/O William Roy Bloyce. It was a so called presentation aircraft, although I don't know to who or which 'Oldham' exactly refers.

Regards,
Hans

[robert]

Hi Hans,


from 130 RAF SQ?


Robert

[Hans Nauta]

Yep, from 130 Squadron. In fact two Spitfires were lost from 130 Squadron that day. P7904 flown by P/O Henry Webster Pickstone was shot down by 20 mm Flak of the 2./MFLA246 from IJmuiden at 09.20 hrs, 5 minutes before P/O Bloyce was shot down.

8 Spitfires of 130 Squadron, together with Spitfires of 66 and 152 Squadron were tasked to escort two waves of each 6 Blenheims of 107 and 114 Squadron to the steelworks of IJmuiden (Hoogovens). Eventually only 7 took off as one of the Spitfires was involved in a taxiing accident.

Regards,
Hans Nauta

[rob van den nieuwendijk]

Hello all,

Does anybody know what happened to the claimer - Gefr Schumacher? What was his career afterwards?

Thanks and best wishes,
Rob

[Franek Grabowski]

Well, unless I will find that Schumacher's combat report fits circumstances of the loss, I would refrain from drawing any definite conclusions.

[rob van den nieuwendijk]

Hello Franek,

This might interest you - In Luftgaubefehl Nr 62 (dated 23.8.1941) of Luftgaukommando Holland I found: "Im Luftgaubereich abgeschossene u. abgestürzte Feindflugzeuge in der Zeit v. 17.8.41 - 21.8.41: 21.8.41: 1 Spitfire durch Marine - Artl. u. leichte Flak, Pilot gefangen, 09.20 Uhr; 1 Spitfire durch Gefr Schuhmacher, 1. Erg./J.G. 3, Schicksal der Besatzung unbekannt, 09.25 Uhr."

Wochenlageberichte Wehrmachtsbefehlshaber in den Niederlanden stated that "am 21.8. 1 Spitfire vor Zandvoort über See durch Jäger; Schicksal der Feindbesatzung unbekannt."

I can confirm that what Hans Nauta already stated that 130 Squadron lost two pilots during this raid - F/O Pickstone was shot down by Flak near Ymuiden and taken POW; P/O Bloyce was shot down by German fighters west of Dutch Coast - Bloyce is still mia.

Best wishes,
Rob

[christian]

Hi

The 1.Erg./JG 3 came in Januar 1942 to the III./JG 5 as 7.Staffel. Werner Schumacher was one of the best Pilots of the 7.Staffel with 30 claims. He became prisoner at the 08.08.1942, and died 1943 in the prison Podma.

Greetings Christian