Bf 109G VD+V? and another one (schwarze 1) (+)

[mmoustaf]

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Bf 109G-2/R6 VJ+V?

Bf 109G-2 (?) schwarze 1+- (2 photos)

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hallo again

Can't help with much, but surely the broken G-2/R-6 is coded VD+V?

Also it looks like an overrun airfield after German withdrawal from Stalingrad area?

Cheers
Stig

[Don Pearson]

The second photo appears to faintly have the JG 3 "flying U" badge on the cowl, complete with red circle underneath. Unless I am just seeing things...
Kirschner's aircraft?

Don

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi

Documents to identify these aircraft should exist in former Soviet Union archives, as aircraft captured when an airfield was overrun was documented.

So we will just have to wait until the right document surfaces showing the correct combination of aircraft...

Regards,
Andreas B

[Nikita Egorov]

Andreas,

those pictures are definitely connected to the issue we are researching at the moment. For the exeption that they were taken on the airfield that was captured earlier than Rostov and Novocherkassk. I presume that it is Morosowskaja. According to documents up to 100 planes and airframes were captured there. Pictures of planes from JG3, Sch.G.1 and StG2 indicate the high possibility of this variant.
Another variants are:
Bolshyaja Rossoshka - 173 planes captured more or less intact. 150 planes more in dismantled or highly damaged condition.
Gumrak - 120 planes captured
Karpovka - 60 planes captured
Tazinskaja is of dismal possibility, as reported captured only 72 transport planes.

The planes as you can see from the previous case are reported in GQ as "von eigene truppe gesprengt" or damaged earlier due to various reasons, and were later abandoned.
Unfortunately, no breakdown for the planetypes and werknummers for this cases exists so far...

[mmoustaf]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi

Documents to identify these aircraft should exist in former Soviet Union archives, as aircraft captured when an airfield was overrun was documented.

So we will just have to wait until the right document surfaces showing the correct combination of aircraft...

Regards,
Andreas B

As far as i remember Vitaly Gorbach told that documents of 1st Aerial Army in TsAMO contains serial numbers of captured aircrafts.

I'm trying to reach IKFI now to get prints of those photos in my collection.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Nikita

Yes, I thought so.

Will send updated list sometime during the weekend.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Can't help with much, but surely the broken G-2/R-6 is coded VD+V?

The entire VD+V_ sequence was assigned to Bf 109G-2s.
VD+VR was part of JG 3 in Dec. 1942.

[rob van den nieuwendijk]

Hello all,

Very interesting pictures. Also see Prien et all JFV 9/II, pages 163-164: Me 109G of II./JG 3 in Russian hands.

Relating to 5./JG 3 I have the following Me 109G's:
Date: Place: Type: Staffel W/nr Bruch: Cause:
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13696 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13792 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14513 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13891 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14546 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14559 100% Gesprengt

Not sure if the pictures were made at Pitomnik.

Best regards,
Rob

[rob van den nieuwendijk]

Hello all,

The "schwarze 1" picture might have been taken at Pitomnik. On 14 January 1943 Frielinghaus landed with this Me 109 at Pitomnik. He had to change planes with Hans Grünberg. But during an engagement over the Don he had problems with his machine-guns and as a result he shot away 4/5 of the props. With great luck he managed to land at Pitomnik. Pictures seem to show no damage to the props.

Does anybody have more details..?

Best regards,
Rob