Luftwaffe unit code 9N

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello

The question that puzzels me, is this: what unit had unit code 9N ???

From a picture, taken at 29th June 1943 during the simultaneous Knight Cross ceremony of H.D. Frank and W. Herget in Venlo, in the background a Siebel Fh 104 aircraft is visible with fuselage code 9N+AA (see enclosed detail).

Source BA Freiburg, RL 25/80 shows no Fh 104's at any of the Flugbereitschaften of units and higher headquarters in the Netherlands (like XII. Fliegerkorps or Jagddivision). As I don't have Rosch Luftwaffe Markings etc. I checked several other publications. So far only Meyer/Stipdonk made a reference that an unknown unit with '9N' had a Fi156 and Bf110 at its disposal. With this Fh104 that makes 3 different types of aircraft.

[RT]

BA a He111, GA an Fi156 with Erg.Gr.NJG2 at Gilze in 42, AA was found in 1945 by Mühldorf .

Rémi

[ChristianK]

Hi Marcel,

what could be exactly the same aircraft was captured at Mühldorf ("Ampfing") in 1945. Photos can be found in the old Luftwaffe Verband magazine No.4 and Barry Rosch's newer "Luftwaffe Support Units" (Classic Publications). Barry has this code as Stab/3. Jagddivision.

Regards,
Christian

[RolandF]

Christian,

is this the Siebel with additional camo surrounding the code markings and the flash sign? At Brunnthal airfield a Fh 104 is depicted lying amidst the scrap heap...

Regards

Roland

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Cher Remi, dear Roland and Christian

Many thanks and though Stab 3./Jagddivision would make sense, it remains obscure why this Siebel was not mentioned in the RL 25/80 files but I will check that again before making unjust statements.

Again thanks, I would appreciate if someone could send me a scan of the Luftwaffe Verband edition with this picture in a PM.

Best wishes, Marcel
www.fliegerhorst-venlo.net

[ChristianK]

Hi Roland; yes, this is the aircraft I was talking about No connection to Brunnthal, tough..

Marcel, you got a PM!

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Dear friends,

Thank you for all the input. The reference to the 3. Jagddivision did ring a bell and therefore I looked into the 'Belegungsübersicht der Flugplätze im Luftgau-Bereich Holland' (RL 25/80 and further) and there it was: there is a Siebel Fh 104 with the Flugbereitschaft der 1. Jagddivision in Deelen and the other aircraft mentioned do fit to
9N+BA (Bf110)
9N+BX (Bf110)
9N+GA (Fi156)
9N+XA (Me210A-1)

Therefore it is safe to assume that 9N belongs to the Flugbereitschaft 1. Jagddivision in Deelen, please update your lists of unit codes!

All the best, Marcel

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Marcel,
If I am not wrong, I believe I have seen other picture of this particular Siebel Fh 104 with this stylized "arrow" as being the particular mount of General Albert Kesselring on the book by Heimdal Editions ( French ): "La Luftwaffe attaque à L'Ouest".
I do not have this book on my hands now, but surely some French friends will confirm what I am saying. If I do remember well, it was a visit to ZG76...the Siebel do appears close to a Bf 110 "Sharkmouthed". You surely must have seen that picture too...
Yours, just adding something to the fate of this particular plane.
Adriano Baumgartner

[RolandF]

Concerning the stylized arrow of the Fh104 - is it painted in black or maybe (interesting for me) in grey?

Regards

Roland

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Found the picture of Kesselring on his Fh 104, although I did not found the photograph on the mentioned book...( wish I could have a glance at the aircraft codes ).
But enjoy...
PS: I do not know if they are the same machine...

Found another Siebel with this stylized arrow:
The previously unpublished photo shows a Siebel Fl 104 with the Stammkennzeichen KB+ZE. In Mai 1941 this aircraft was owned by LDK 1/3 and in March 1944 by FlBer GdFlak.
http://www.battlegroundrelics.com/album/luftwaffe-siebel-fh-104-kbze
Yours
Adriano

PS: Please could someone who possess the Heimdal book check for us the codes of Kesselring's machine? Thanks indeed.