Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944

[barkas]

Hallo,
please, do you have any losses of Bf 109 on 13 Oct 1944 ?? My unknow Bf 109 crashed close Neugrund, pilot killed.

[thenelm]

Take your pick -

Bf 109G-14, 464276, Sauerwein, Ogefr. Arnold, , , 1., JG 77, weiße, 9 +, , , 13-Oct-44, WIA, cause unknown., , RLV, Prien, JG 77, IV, p.2174, , östlich Köln, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-, , n.n., , IV., IV., JG 27, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Servicing failure., , RLV, Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, III. & IV./JG 27, p.462, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, 160069, Hosenberg, Uffz. Otto, , , 7., JG 77, , , CR+DP, , 13-Oct-44, Injured in Notlandung due to engine fire during transit flight., , RLV, Prien, JG 77, IV, p.2174; Menke, SKZ list, , bei Mark Zwuschen, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , I., JG 27, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Accident due to mechanical problem., , RLV, Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.554, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-14, 460603, Czogalla, Fw. Paul, 1, , 8., JG 53, rote, 4 + -, , , 13-Oct-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s. FSA., , RLV, Prien, JG 53 (1998), III, p.1002; Prien, JG 53, III, p.1471, , Enkenbach/Kaiserslautern, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, 413491, Müller, Uffz., , , 2., Erg.NJGr., rote, 10 +, , , 13-Oct-44, Killed in crash., , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.370, , Hagenau, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , II., JG 3, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Accident due to mechanical problem., , RLV, Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.419, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , III., JG 53, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Luftkampf., , RLV, Prien, JG 53 (1998), III, p.1002, , Ort unbekannt, 100%, F, , ,

[ouidjat]

Hi Barkas,

Just a question: Which Neuburg?? In Straussberg area, for example?

Franck.

[Laurent Rizzotti]

From the summary of Luftwaffe losses, other possible total losses of Bf 109 units:

II/JG 5: an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
IV/JG 51: an aircraft destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I/JG 52: an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
II/JG 301 (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
JGr Ost (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): three aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
JGr Süd (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): two aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
1./NAGr 5 (then with Bf 109 and Fw 189): one aircraft missing Due to enemy action

Sorry no more details for the above , but maybe Jim or Matti will help to complete them.

As oudjat said, more details about the location (like the area, a nearby big town) will help to eliminate possible losses. It the location came from a German report it may refer to a place in Eastern Europe now known under another name, too.

Best regards

Laurent

[ouidjat]

Hello,

I have two (Three?) Bf 109 losses for JGr. Süd, that date in Straussberg area; but as said Laurent "No more details"!

Tschüss, Franck.

[barkas]

Thanks, gentlemen.
Neugrund is now Novosedlo, village in North Bohemia, Czech.
The plane crashed propably without enemy action and pilot killed. Maybe it was day before, on 12 Oct 1944.

[Michal]

It seems that plane could crash on any other date before October 13 1944 according to Police Report. My Source didn´t mention Type of Plane. So, I am wonder from which source do you have this information.

Flugzeugabsturz

13.10., 10:30: Luftwaffenflugzeugteile in Gemeinde Oberkolitz, Ortsteil Neugrund, Bez. Boeh. Leipa, aufgefunden. Leiche in naehe der Aufschlagstelle. Einzelheiten nicht bekannt.