6/KG 51 Claim 6 Jul 44

[Chris Goss]

At 0238 hrs on the above date, an Uffz from 6/KG 51 claimed a twin-engined aircraft near Caen. Some records say the name was Illner, others Josef Ottrin. Can anyone confirm one way or another?

[Maximowitz]

Uffz. Illner 6./KG51 2-mot Caen: 1,500 m. 02:38

Possibly 105 Squadron Mosquito ML913

Source Vol II Nachtjagd War Diaries: Dr T Boiten and R Mackenzie

Worth contacting Dr Boiten perhaps Chris?

[Chris Goss]

Thanks for this-Theo and myself have been in discussion on this and other II/KG 51 claims

[mhuxt]

I wonder if the 264 Sqn Mosquito and the KG 51 Me 410 didn't both make erroneous claims for each other. RAF claim was same time, 02.35, same area, near Caen.

Makes more sense to me than an Oboe crew lost without trace. Haven't checked the relative times UK/Continent before posting this, however IIRC last time I looked at this incident the times were identical.

[Chris Goss]

Interesting-there were 2 claims for 410s that night-Moore of 604 & Ramsey of 264 Sqn...and there were 2 losses one each from 5 & 6 Staffel/KG 51