Seeking 2 x Ju88A W.Nr. for Aug & Sept 1940 losses.

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

I need Werk Nummers for two Ju88As that came down in Britain:

1) Ju88A-1 7A+AL of 3.(F)/121 that belly landed and burned out at Upcott Farm, Beaford, England on 22.8.40.

2) Ju88A-1 4U+BL of 3.(F)/123 that belly landed at at Drum Ddu, Hafotty-y-Bulch, near Mallwyd, Wales, on 7.9.40. Several good photos exist of this a/c.

Can anyone help?

Regards,

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Larry.

For some reason there is no information on the aircraft lost on 07.09.1940. I have the crew information, but I am sure you have them also.

The location is reported as Liverpool.

There was a correction with regards to the fate of Fw. Kobold - I have assumed in my records that he was repatriated as severely wounded - can anyone confirm this?

Regards,
Andreas B

[edNorth]

Larry,

.... Ju 88 [4U+BL] 3.(F)/123 (Luftflotte 3)
OPS (F) missing (100%) unk location (Liverpool) [Flew course via Paris/Buc, Isle of Wight, Bristol, Liverpool Harbour, but chased away by RAF Spitfires, one eng failed, hit mountainside in low cloud ceilings, at 12:30 (13:30) hrs at Malwydd, Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire (Wales)] 07.09.1940 (B Oblt. Hans Kauter and F Lt. Erich Böhle missing/inj POW, Fw. Walter Kebold <Kobold> mis/POW/rep inj in d/08.01.44, Uffz. Gotthard Leisner <Leisler> mis/POW/injured) [rep in LWFLV losses 23v23.09.40; but quite unusually the type is not stated; rep Ju 88 4U+BL (nr not stated) in Air 40/.. A.I.1(K) Report no. 455/1940; 4U+BL is stated as first ´Ju 88 D-2´ (sic) brought down over Britain on 07.09.40 and the crew surviving this emergency landing: see in Manfred Griehl: "Junkers Ju 88 ~ Star of the Luftwaffe" P.73 (no other entry is found matching this in LWFLV losses and no ´D-2´ had been built by that time!); Ju 88 4U+BL is rep crashed at Hfotty-y-Bulch, four miles north of Mallyd at 13:30 hrs 07.09.40; Engines were Jumo 211 Starb. 37956, Port 37945; possible engine failure and crash due weather; rep with ring-mounted rear gun (in AIR 22/266 Report 23/6); several photos of this are on Flickr/LLCG ~ LIGC NLW by Geoff Charles (there dated 31.08.1941 near Mallwyd, was on raid to Liverpool) - These photos show "eagle/hammer on workbench" emblem of 3.(F)/123, dive brake attachments are in place (but no brakes?) Early-fin but no codes visible, one wing-tip broken off (so not able to make out A-1 or A-5 but VDM props are seen)]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/43...n/photostream/

[Larry Hickey]

Hello to Andreas and Ed,

It seems that you everyone has the same problem that I have with the W.Nr. on these two Ju88 losses. I'm hoping that someone picked this up from some alternative source from the normal reporting.

Regards,

[edNorth]

Do not consider this two be a major problem, compared to what you are perhaps attempting. Some say a problem is answer in disguise. I do my best and do not expect all W.Nr. problems can be solved instantly. Some losses or accidents W.Nr. have been solved using alternate sources, but this require both extensive co-op and painstaking research. It perhaps could help, posting what you really have, then perhaps somone else has different item (or info) and can add to it.