Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 23rd May 2012, 10:24
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,738
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

This has puzzled both Peter Cornwell and myself for a number of years. This ac, piloted by Uffz Karl Zimmermann, is reported (in the K Report) as crashing at Godstone near Portsmouth. Zimmermann reported baling out over the Solent and landing at Haslar. My deduction is this aircraft came down in the Solent but can anyone add more to this crash?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 23rd May 2012, 11:42
Brian Bines Brian Bines is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,412
Brian Bines is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

On my notes I have changed Godstone to Chilgrove, this was from another researcher and I no longer have his source so cannot confirm the accuracy of this.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 23rd May 2012, 13:31
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,738
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

Chilgrove sounds like the KG 54 crash the next day
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 23rd May 2012, 20:50
Clint Mitchell's Avatar
Clint Mitchell Clint Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 457
Clint Mitchell is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

I can't find a Godstone near Portsmouth? Is that correct? The only Godstone I can find is in Surrey.

In the Battle of Britain by Roy Conyers Nesbit, there is a photo captioned as being the aftermath of this incident. The caption reads roughly as: Ju88A-1 9K+CL 3./KG51 - flown by OberGefreiter Dickel, was shot down by fighters over Portsmouth on 12 August 1940 but crashed near Godstone, Surrey, where it broke up. Pilot killed other crew members missing.

The photo is from the authors collection but I'm sure I have seen it before in other publications. From the look of the wings and life boat compartment it's a Ju88A-5 also.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 23rd May 2012, 22:28
Clint Mitchell's Avatar
Clint Mitchell Clint Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 457
Clint Mitchell is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

This is the photo in the book I mentioned. Is this a case of a mis-captioned photo?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 23rd May 2012, 23:29
Brian Bines Brian Bines is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,412
Brian Bines is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

Clint,

If I remember this photo is of a Ju88 whoes crew baled out over France and it flew minus its crew back to Godstone Surrey see The Blitz T&N vol 2 page 302 - Ju 88 of 6/KG77 at 0130hrs on 28-11-40 at Blindley Heath,

Regards

Brian Bines
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 23rd May 2012, 23:35
Clint Mitchell's Avatar
Clint Mitchell Clint Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 457
Clint Mitchell is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

Thanks for clearing up the dodgy caption Brian.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 24th May 2012, 01:15
Melvin Brownless's Avatar
Melvin Brownless Melvin Brownless is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Northamptonshire. UK
Posts: 1,093
Melvin Brownless is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

I know Chris has the A.I.(k) Report for this loss but thought others might like to see the report in full.

Kind regards,

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Last edited by Melvin Brownless; 18th June 2012 at 21:21.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24th May 2012, 17:17
Clint Mitchell's Avatar
Clint Mitchell Clint Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 457
Clint Mitchell is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

Thanks Melvin
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24th May 2012, 17:44
Clint Mitchell's Avatar
Clint Mitchell Clint Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 457
Clint Mitchell is on a distinguished road
Re: Ju 88 of 3/KG 51, Godstone, 12 Aug 40

So is the current view of this incident that it didn't actually crash at Godstone but in the Solent? Or did it crash on land at Chilgrove?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Athens-Tatoi Andy Mitchell Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 24 3rd May 2020 11:50
Ju188 lost in France Eric Larger Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 16 15th December 2011 23:47
Claims and losses JG51 AreKal Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 5 24th July 2011 07:56
B-17 loss to night fighter BartC17 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 14th January 2011 13:23
Was Fw. Werner Stapel JG52 an ace? Rob Romero Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 6 25th August 2008 03:37


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:33.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net