JU88C 4/NJG2 November 1944

[michel]

Hello,

Can anyone tell me which Ju88 of 4/NJG2 crashed on the evening/night
of 1-2 November 1944 ?
Who was the crew of this plane ?
They where KIA ?

Michel

[cbe2009]

Hi!
I have looked in the book by M. Balss on NJ losses and the only losses i could find from NJG 2 this night, was from 3./NJG 2 in Denmark. If this is the one you are searching, i have the dates.
Regards
Christian

[John Manrho]

Michel,

I have no records of a 4./NJG 2 loss during night of 1/2 Nov 1944. I have no record of a Ju 88 of any NJG in that area (Echt) in that night. This answers also your PM....

Cheers,

John

[michel]

Hi Christian,
many thanks for your answer,but its not the plane where i looking for.

John,
also thanks for reply, i think it is a German Nightfighter with a MG131
armament,i fond a lot off this ammunition on the crashplace.

Michel

[John Manrho]

Are you sure about the date????

John

[michel]

Yes John the date is correct.

i send you a pm

Michel

[John Manrho]

Michel,

Were any of the Ju 88 crew killed in the crash? And why do you believe it is a Ju 88 of 4./NJG 2?

John

[michel]

Hello

Please let me explain what I am looking for.

On the night of November 1st - November 2nd, 1944 a Halifax bomber was shot down near Echt, Holland.
Eyewitnesses told us that the plane was shot down by a German nightfighter. This nightfighter also crashed, a few seconds before the Halifax hit te ground.
I don't know if the crewmembers survived or not...

I found 8 luftwaffe claims on Tony Wood's website.
These were claims from NJG 1 and NJG 2.
One of these claims matched our time of crash (20.40 hours).
This claim was from 4./NJG2.

I presume the plane was a Junker 88C/G because these units flew with this type of airplane.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.

I hope someone can help me Identifying the plane.
Thanks

Michel

[John Manrho]

I checked all Bf 110, He 219 and Ju 88 losses from NJG's and came up empty. Nothing that fits....

cheers,

John

[noggin]

Not sure if this may help but from the RAF Balderton FB site :
‘On the night of 2 November 1944, Lancaster 227/D had successfully attacked Dusseldorf, except for a bomb hang-up. After leaving the target area, the Bomb Aimer and Flight Engineer were endeavouring to release the bomb and the aircraft was being flown straight and level.
Without warning, from immediately below, the aircraft was attacked by a Ju. 88 which succeeded on its first attack in setting fire to the starboard inner engine. The pilot and engineer endeavoured to put out the fire but were unsuccessful so the pilot ordered the crew to put on parachutes as a preliminary to giving the order to abandon the aircraft.
As the Rear Gunner, Sergeant Payne was leaving his seat and endeavouring to open the door, quite unaware of the cause of the fire, he observed the enemy aircraft at quite close range firing from the forward firing guns. Although the perspex on both sides of his turret was being smashed and bullets were hitting the door at the back of his turret, Sergeant Payne very gallantly climbed back into his seat and opened fire on the enemy aircraft. He did not cease firing until the enemy aircraft had been shot down.
He then proceeded to carry out his captain’s instructions and abandon aircraft. Had it not been for the initiative, courage and gallantry of Sergeant Payne, the Lancaster, already on fire, would have been a very easy target for the enemy aircraft on its second attack and it is very unlikely that any member of the crew would have got away with his life.
Sergeant Payne, together with all members of his crew, evaded capture and made his way through the enemy lines and returned to this country on 5 November 1944.’
Ronald Hubert Payne, who was born at Great Haseley, Oxfordshire in May 1923, enlisted in the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve in July 1943.
Qualifying as an Air Gunner, he joined No. 227 Squadron, a Lancaster unit operating out of R.A.F. Balderton, in early October 1944, when he was appointed Rear Gunner in Flying Officer C. J. Croskell’s crew. At the time of being recommended for his D.F.M. a month later, he had completed 12 sorties, so some of these operations must have been undertaken in his previous unit, No. 207 Squadron, which he had joined in August 1944.
After baling out of his stricken aircraft on the night of 2 November, Payne landed near a fellow member of crew, Philip Orrey, and the pair of them walked through the night before meeting members of the Dutch Underground. Safely delivered to an Allied base just 48 hours after setting out on their fateful mission to Dusseldorf, they were offered a lift home by an American General who was bound for London in a Dakota.
Payne was released from service as a Flight Sergeant in January 1946, when his discharge papers described his as being scarred from multiple burns and a ‘gunshot wound’. He died in Oxford in September 2006.