Typhoon Loss 11 jul 43

[Chris Goss]

At 1550 hrs on above date, Plt Off Ivan Mouat of 198 Sqn was shot down by 8./JG 26 "east of Ghent". Another note has this aircraft being shot down near Zaffelare so can anyone give me an accurate location of the crash?

[Alex Smart]

Hello Chris,
"Hawker Typhoon the combat history" by Richard Townshend Bickers ha on page 103 -
EJ966 609/198 - Shot down by Me109s near Terneuzen. 11.7.43.
FCL vol 2 has on page 108 -
198 Sqn Typhoon In - EJ966 - Rhubarb pm. Shot down by Me109 of JG2 over Neuzen.
Pilot P/O W.I.Mouat RCAF - POW.

"The JG 26 War Diary" Vol 2 has on page 116/7
11 July
Bad weather once again limited flying.
Obfw. Ellenrieder, up on a defensive patrol, was vectored to a pair of No.198 Sqd. Typhoons on a low level Rhubarb to Ghent,and shot one of them down.
11.7.43 - Obfw. Ellenrieder - Unit 8 - Claim 2nd Typhoon - East of Ghent - Time 1550 - 198 Sqd -Confirmed I.O.
I.O is explained on page 491 as a 4th category as a good chance of ultimate confirmation.

Hope this is of some help.

Alex

[Chris Goss]

Thanks Alex. I have all of this but no precise location of the crash hence my question

[MW Giles]

Zaffelare is a few miles NE of Ghent, therefore in the absence of further details like a POW report, have you not answered your own question?

See he site http://www.luchtvaartgeschiedenis.be...n-te-zaffelare


Martin

[Alain57]

Hello ,

I have the following info , but i don't remember the source . " According to a man who worked at that time for the Intelligence service Marc the aircraft crashed at 1615 hrs Belgian time at the town off Zaffelare between a place named " Gale " and the four roads 100 meter from the " railway line " Zaffelare - Desteldonk - Oostakker "

Regards
Alain57

[Flupke]

Hello

Zaffelaar "Gelei"/" Vierwegse" 15:50

Regards
Phil

[Chris Goss]

Thanks all and no, Martin, I did not answer my own question (which was based on a note) as the subsequent replies have proven! Where JG 2 came from as to who shot it down is a puzzle as is the location of Terneuzen (albeit I too have seen Neuven/Neuzen as a location as well)

[MW Giles]

Terneuzen is a large town in the Netherlands on the coast due 15-20 miles north of Ghent

There is a famous canal linking the two together

Martin

[Chris Goss]

Hence my confusion! 36 km almost due north of Ghent in another country as opposed to Zaffelare being 24 km (by road) NE of Ghent

[andy bird]

Full Name is William Ivan Mouat
Born 16 July 1920
Parents notified 21 August 1943 that he had became a POW
Repatriated 22 May 1945
One of three children of William and Effie Mouat;
Father original birth place Shetland Islands, naturalised Canadian 1884.

William Ivan Mouat died aged 84; 16 March 2005 Salt Springs Island BC

Andy Bird

"Loving birthday greetings. Anxious of your welfare no news recently. All well at home - We regret to advise you that your son J17084 Pilot Officer William Ivan Mouat is missing after operations over occupied territory."

"Regret to advise that your son Pilot Officer William Ivan Mouat J one seven nought eight four is reported missing after air operations overseas July 11 stop letter follows."

"Crashed North-East of Ghent"

"Pleased to advise international Red Cross quoting German information states you son Pilot Officer William Ivan Mouat is prisoner of war stop letter follows. RCAF Casualties Officer."

"22nd May, 1945 Dear Mr. & Mrs. Mouat, You will be pleased to hear that I had a call from your son Ivan yesterday. He was looking very well adn is spending a few days in London but hoping to be back at base and on his way home within a week or so. He is looking forward to seeing you all and sends greetings. I should like to wish you a very happy reunion with no more partings in the future. With kindest regards, Yours truly, W. A. McAdams"