Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO

[stefaan]

Hi Guys.
On 20/2/44 a prolonged air battle resulted in W/O Hammond claiming
1 109 and 1 Ju 88 as a gunner in Baltimore 'R' FA468.He was from 15 SAAF and I believe the 109 from JG VII/27 from Calato.
Did any 109 and Ju 88 unit put in a loss for this date.
15 sqn was on a recce in the Rhodes,Leros are.
I would like to tie up the units and pilots.
Thanks
Stefaan Bouwer

[John Beaman]

Stefaan, the only loss with a Med. connection listed is

Bf 109G-6, 410526, Treu, Uffz. Walter, 1./JG 4, weiße 6 +, BX+ID*
2/20/1944, MIA, cause unknown., Mombeek, Sturmjäger, I, p.103
Albanian Sea

[stefaan]

Hi John.
Thanks for looking up the gen.
The crew believe the 109's came from Calato.
15 sqn came from Gambut area to Rhodes and the surrounding area.
Unless JG 4 was based in the area it seems unlikely that this was the one if they say Albanian sea
Do you know where the JG 4 109's were based??
Stefaan

[John Beaman]

According to Holm's site, confirmed by Mombeek, they were based as follows:

1./JG4 was based at Vignanello, 10.2.44 - late 2.44; 3./JG4 was based at Centocelle, 10.2.44 - late 2.44

BTW, I have no Ju 88 losses for that date.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

II./J.G.27, a unit located at Kalamaki, near Athens in Greece, had three aircraft damaged on this day:

1: A category 4: Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy

2: A category 7: Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy

3: A category 23: Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight

The cat 4 and 7 would be possible matches for 'your' Bf 109's, haven't checked other sources for them yet, and as I am at work I do not have them handy.

Regards,
Andreas

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

According to Holm's site, confirmed by Mombeek, they were based as follows:

1./JG4 was based at Vignanello, 10.2.44 - late 2.44; 3./JG4 was based at Centocelle, 10.2.44 - late 2.44

And according to Ultra, I./JG 4 was a Fabrica di Roma on 27 February, see http://www.ghostbombers.com/JG2/flifue2.html

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi.

II./J.G.27, a unit located at Kalamaki, near Athens in Greece, had three aircraft damaged on this day:

1: A category 4: Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy

2: A category 7: Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy

3: A category 23: Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight

The cat 4 and 7 would be possible matches for 'your' Bf 109's, haven't checked other sources for them yet, and as I am at work I do not have them handy.

Regards,
Andreas

Thanks Andreas. What is the source(s) of your information?

[stefaan]

Hi guys.
John,this certainly is a probability.
Andreas,also what is your scourse.This cat 4 may be more likely as JG 27 have clashed with 15 sqn on numerous accasions before.Would like to know more about location and approx time.
Thanks
Stefaan

[robert]

Hi Andreas,

during 02.44 the II/JG27 was located in Wiesbaden-Erbenheim.
Your unit could be III/JG27 which was based in Malemes and suffered one non-operational loss on the 20.02.44 and claimed one Baltimore in the morning combat (around 09.00) SE of Rhodos.
The IV/JG27 was on this time in Nisch and suffered no losses on the 20.02.44.
Source: Prien Bf109 im Einsatz bei der III und IV/JG27.

Regards

Robert

[stefaan]

Hi Robert.
That's it.
The Baltimore lost was 'K' FA554 with Lt de Bryun Otto as pilot, and crew.The pilot that put in the claim was Uffz Gunther Striebel of 7/27.
Do you know who the Pilot of the 109 was,and Id of the 109?
Thanks
Stefaan