"Göring a biography" by David Irving

[Anton Verberne]

The books speaks of documented organized suicide attacks by german pilots against ground and air targets

I always thought that the Suicide/Rammjager story was a myth. That the idea was abandoned and only individual pilots rammed their fighters into targets.

So what´s the deal with this book. Is it any good??

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/Goering/Werwolf.html

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[Jim P.]

Wasn't Irvin convicted fairly recently somewhere in Europe for - here it is - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wirving21.xml

Jailed for 3 years in Austria for his writing dening the Holocaust.

[Dénes Bernád]

The two issues don't necessarily have a connection...

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád

The two issues don't necessarily have a connection...

Well, they do sorta. If you have read any of his books, he's always a little short of acceptable documentation and often makes great leaps of faith conclusions based on hearsay or flimsy sources. His earlier works were better, but his later ones are way out in left field.

As for his conviction, I think he was convicted but deported back to Britain w/o actually servicing all the sentence. I think he is severely restricted in his travels.

[Anton Verberne]

Wasn't Irvin convicted fairly recently somewhere in Europe for - here it is - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wirving21.xml

Jailed for 3 years in Austria for 3 years for his writing dening the Holocaust.

Really??? I was not aware, in that case disregard this post. The book has lost all of my interest. Don´t want to have anything to do with those sort of people.

[Ruy Horta]

There is still a place for David Irving, although some of his ideas and actions call for some caution. Arguably there is a lot of poiltical correctness behind the motiations to convict, of course the laws in some lands are more strict (B&W) on this subject than others.

Reading his biography on Goering won't taint you, nor would his work on Milch and a number of other subjects. His work varies in quality, but I am not an expert on the subject.

Use your common sense, you can't go wrong.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta

There is still a place for David Irving, although some of his ideas and actions call for some caution.

You might want to take a look at this site for a detailed examination of how Irving has used source material.

The argument isn't over "political correctness" (whatever that's supposed to be), it's about standards of historical scholarship.

[Franek Grabowski]

I am not Irving's admirer, being serious critic of his Mare's Nest, which is not politically related book. That said, most of his attackers are similarly biased people, but with politically correct bias. Irving still is a historian and often able to provide interesting insight and documents, and certainly his books are worth of critical reading, especially as they are free on his website.

[FalkeEins]

..I agree to a point ..there was a suggestion in a recent discussion elsewhere that his earlier works such as 'Dresden' were 'untainted' but the pages devoted to this work at Nick's link show evidence, even here, of the deployment of forged and manipulated source material to meet an agenda....I doubt that the average reader - even well-informed - is going to have the wherewithal to see through the facade

[Jukka Juutinen]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

You might want to take a look at this site for a detailed examination of how Irving has used source material.

The argument isn't over "political correctness" (whatever that's supposed to be), it's about standards of historical scholarship.

The argument is not about political correctness? Hmm! I took a look at the site referred to. When it has become a sign of historical truth to point to rabbinical sites? When has Deborah Lipstadt become a "distinguished" scholar? Didn´t John Keegan describe her as a mediocity, an also ran? In a world where several countries have specifically rescinded* freedom of opinion on one particular genocide, can a trial on that opinion be really objective and neutral, free from politics? I don´t think it can.

*If Angie Kurva Merkel (all possible insults intended) has her way, denying the holocaust in any EU country would be a felony subject to a penalty (up to 3 yrs in prison) that by Finnish standards is the time served by a felon convicted of manslaughter and higher than the time served by average rapists.