Junkers Ju88A-15 (V60), W.Nr. 140561

[Simon Schatz]

Hi folks!

Want to share with you my newest colour profile. Left side of the Junkers Ju88A-15 prototype.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1..._02_Schatz.jpg

It would be nice if somebody could help me with additional infos. (when built, flown, fate...)

As far as I know only two photographs are known of this plane - or does anybody have more. On the right side of the wing is an additional pitot tube or antenna. Doeas anybody know what this is?

Best regards,
Simon

[edNorth]

Hi Simon,

What is your source for the "Brownish-Green" colour (of the Dunkelgrun) as on your scetch? Paint samples from Ju 88 that I have, show colours were more Green~Grayer and darker, but I guess it´s not what you are after.

This colour photo (attached), from "Luftwaffe in Focus" 1/2002, showing Ju 88 A-5 W.Nr. 0880774 T5+BU (from early in 1941 production), is one of the best that I have found, and in my opinion matches the colours, as I see them (but colour perception does vary from one person to the other).
Over the years I have searched for "best" colour chips to match but find the "Dunkelgrun" often too "Brown" in my opinion (Monogram Paint Guide has it almost "Brown-ish".) But having actual paint from Ju 88 is perhaps not everybody has. I have not found any reference that FZB (Bernburg) did change the RLM 65/70/71 colours during their production run, or if they did, when. The aircraft (Ju 88 A-4 140561) was from about February 1943 production, already flying by early March 1943, but I do not have actual dates of the conversion to Ju 88 V60, some sources say it was flying as such in summer 1943. I belive the correct designation to use is "Ju 88 V60" as no series production of A-15 was performed.

Lastly "that thing" on the right wing was a "Logstang", a secondary pitot/static sensing setup - to be farther away from the airframe/wing airflow disturbance - for better (more accurate) speed/pressure/(temperature) calibration, and likely connected to a second set of instruments, overseen by an observer, in the rear of the cockpit.

An example of similar can be found in books Beauvais/Kössler/Mayer/Regel: "German Secret Flight Test Centres to 1945" (Midland; Bernard & Graefe Verlag 1998, 2002) showing such in He 177 P.89, and has photo of an engine monitoring installation in an (unspecified) Ju 88 on P.96.

regards
ed

[Simon Schatz]

hmm, Ed, I don't know. I'm using these colours for a while. No idea why they look so off. But if you compare the Ju 88 with the He 111 you will find here: http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/foru...rlm-71-a-2898/ (scroll down a bit) you will notice that the colours look very different to your colour pic.

Cheers,

PS: Thank you for the additional infos.

[edNorth]

Hi Simon.

No problem. Hope you quote the info to me then!

But I know (some) how to work "Dia" colours. I could fake it, but here is direct comparision, hopefully the correct way. You can test it yourself in your photo editing software.

1. The profile of mine you refer to, is not the "print version" (much to bright to my liking, but I can not edit or choose what colour engine the other website has), I just took "workingRGB" .jpg copy, resized, sharpened a bit and uploaded. Also when printed on ordinay inkjet printer it comes out differently. But your request there was to "Bombay", not specific colour.

2. Your image is hosted on outside site, an site I do not know how handles colours: "screen RGB", "CMYK", "print proof"... etc.

Below is same sample of the He111 photo, that in my opinion is likely AGFA "dia" (positive) but these fade a lot when old. The posted example has not all too good colour correction. Added is scrap part of my Ju 88 H-1 DO+FS profile, that has same working colour as Ju 88 V60 SL+PC. On my screen it shows close to my colour, similar to "corrected" portions on He 111 tail. Just that sky looks awful in "Green"! I am not printing expert, but hope you understand now.

(Image source: Link abowe).