JG51 Victories

[Nokose]

20Aug44
Ofw Joachim Bussert Stab III 16:36 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)

14Sep44
Uffz Helmut Gloeckner Stabs Staffel
14:26 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
14:29 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)
Lt Gustav Sturm Stabs Staffel
14:31 Boston III (Douglas A-20 1GMTAP KBF)

[Nokose]

22Sep44 Losses for 1 GMTAP KBF
Douglas A-20 Lt Zhilenkov
Douglas A-20 M. Lt Baranov
Douglas A-20 M. Lt Thepermiaks(?)

JG51 claims for 22Sep44
Hptm Joachim Brendel Stab III 10:27 Boston III
Oblt ? III 10:28 Boston III
Uffz Hoppe Stab III 10:25 Yak-7
Ofw Friedrich Simon 9. 10:29 Boston III
Uffz Moelders 10. 10:30 Boston III
Ofw Josef Gaebl 10. 10:31 Boston III

The 22nd fight doesn't say if there was another unit with the 1 GMTAP KBF flying Boston III's. It also doen't have how many planes were damaged and doesn't say what IAP was doing escort. If you want to read about the 1 GMTAP KBF go to www.bellabs.ru/51/ . Maybe a Russian member can give more about the 22 Sep 44.

[Rob Romero]

Good Stuff Nokose!!!

Keep it up,

Rob Romero

[Nokose]

In The Sky Bombers by G.A. Osipov (Shchelkovo series 2003)
Barbarossa The Air Battle by Christer Bergstrom
08Aug41 15:40(Moscow)-
57 BAP (1st mission) on Yelnya 27 SB (11 lost) 1 Bf-109 claimed

JFV 6/II by Jochen Prien
Stab III/JG51 (listed in Barbarossa as II/JG51)
Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (32) 15:25 3km W of Jelnja
Lt Karl-Heinz Weber DB-3 (7) 15:25
Hptm Richard Leppla DB-3 (33) 15:26
IV/JG51
11. Lt Georg Seelman DB-3 (28) 15:08
10. Oblt Johann Knauth DB-3 (12) 15:20
11. Lt Karl Schnecker SB-2 (3) 15:21
11. Lt Georg Seelmann DB-3 (29) 15:29
10. Obfw Adolf Borchers DB-3 (12) 15:30
12. Obfr Ernst Weismann DB-3 (3) 15:35
12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (30) 15:35
12. Lt Herbert Huppertz DB-3 (31) 15:38
(No Bf-109's lost)

[Nokose]

09Aug41
57 BAP (3AE) (3rd mission) 8 SB (5 lost) claimed 1 Bf-109

JFV 6/I by Jochen Prien
12./JG51
Lt Herbert Huppertz SB-3 (33) 19:00
Uffz Helmut Heerdt SB-3 (2) 19:00
Lt Heinz Baer SB-3 (55) 19:00
Obfhr Ernst Weismann SB-3 (4) 19:03
Obfw Heinrich Hoffman SB-3 (37) 19:05
(Lt Huppertz's Bf-109 shot down)

10Aug41
57 BAP (Night missions)
SB flown bt St. Lt Georgiy Alekseyevich Osipov [author of "In the Sky Bombers"] returned to base with heavy damage

JFV 6/I
9./JG51 Obfw Edmund Wagner DB-3 (17) 19:15
(possibly Osipov's SB)

[Nokose]

JFV 9/II by Jochen Prien
Stab II/JG51 Hptm Hartmann Grasser LaGG-3 (69) 12:05 PlQu 47524
StabII/ JG51 Lt Guenther Ruebell LaGG-3 (37) 12:25 PlQu 47552

Losses II/JG51
5/JG51 N.N. Luftkampf, Rshew 100% Wknr 9564

Source: airforce.ru
LaGG-3 5GIAP Mayor Grigorii Denisovich Onufrienko (29 victories, Total for war) shot down by Grasser
LaGG-3 5GIAP Lt Ibragim Shagiakhmedovich Bikmukhametov returned to base after ramming Bf-109 (Wknr. 9541) claim made by Ruebell

Stalin's Falcons by Tomas Polak
List Onufrienko claiming a Bf-109 on the 04Aug42
Bikmuhametov one Bf-109(10th) shot down and one Bf-109 (11th) rammed

[Franek Grabowski]

I believe Vigna was downed by a German, was not he? He reputedly landed at Nasielsk to see his victim. I have heard a story that a few years ago a German pilot visited the place of the crash but no further details nor if it is true story.
No known claims anyway.

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

I believe Vigna was downed by a German, was not he? He reputedly landed at Nasielsk to see his victim. I have heard a story that a few years ago a German pilot visited the place of the crash but no further details nor if it is true story.
No known claims anyway.

Franek - I just re-read the Macr 'witness report' by Thompson and it reads quite differently in that Thompson and Peters were shooting at a 109 on the deck, and Vigna flying Peters' wing flew too low and hit a tree -

Now at the end of the day who is to know whether an unseen 109 was behind all of them and Thompson assumed it was an accident... so I can't say for sure that Vigna was NOT shot down.

This is the situation in which Thompson accidently shot down Peters..when he crossed between Thompson and the 109 being chased - realized what he had done and the 109 got away.

Regards,

Bill

[drgondog]

Leo - off topic but I would solicit your help in two loose ends for the 355th.

On May 19, 1944 Hudson Packard chased a Do 217 into a cloud deck near Gardelegen at 1255. According to J-1127 he collided with a "me 110 (training)" and went in 2 miles east of Mieste (?).

Do you have any details regarding the Me 110?

On August 16, 1944 acccording to Tony Woods/Les Butler LW awards list Uffr Probst of 2./JG3 rammed John Riggs at low altitude, killing Riggs.

According to report J-1955, Probst was credited for the ramming but they described his unit as "8 (heavy) Udet" and suffered 90% damage to his 109.

Do you have any details or corrections to either?

Regards and many thanks for your help.

Bill

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by drgondog

Franek - I just re-read the Macr 'witness report' by Thompson and it reads quite differently in that Thompson and Peters were shooting at a 109 on the deck, and Vigna flying Peters' wing flew too low and hit a tree -

Now at the end of the day who is to know whether an unseen 109 was behind all of them and Thompson assumed it was an accident... so I can't say for sure that Vigna was NOT shot down.

This is the situation in which Thompson accidently shot down Peters..when he crossed between Thompson and the 109 being chased - realized what he had done and the 109 got away.

Regards,

Bill

Bill
I am certain I have heard the story of a victorious German airman landing at Nasielsk and visiting the crashsite, but as you know we cannot be certain of anything. The fact is that there are no known German claims for Mustangs. I will ask Mike Fly to have a closer look.
Best wishes
Franek