Bf109 Shot Down 9/10th July 1941

[Steve Smith]

Hi,

Long shot and possible misidentification.

A Wellington crew claimed to have shot down a Bf109 over Holland on return from Osnabruck. Their report is pretty detailed and 3 of the crew positively identified a Bf109.

My question, any losses that night or reported damaged of a Bf109. And lastly if it was a Bf109, what unit would it have flown with. All bait vague I'm afraid.

TIA

Steve

[Alain57]

Hello ,

I found this :
10/07/1941
I./JG 52
Eelde, 12 km south off Groningen
Engine trouble and crashlanding
Bf 109 E-7
Wnr 3767
35% damage

Greets
Alain57

[Chris Goss]

Another optimistic claim methinks

[Steve Smith]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Another optimistic claim methinks

Chris,

I think your right about the claim. But I am sure that they would have been able to identify a Bf109 over a Bf110, JU88 or Do215.

I am still trying to establish if any Bf109 units were operational this night.

Steve

[Chris Goss]

JG 1, III./NJG 1, I./JG 3, I./JG 52, JG 53 were present in this area at that time and absolutely nothing matches. The JG 52 incident mentioned was engine failure-nothing more, nothing less.

[Steve Smith]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

JG 1, III./NJG 1, I./JG 3, I./JG 52, JG 53 were present in this area at that time and absolutely nothing matches. The JG 52 incident mentioned was engine failure-nothing more, nothing less.

Chris,

I think my previous post confirms what you said. I am just trying to establish what Bf109 units were operational at the time, nothing more, nothing less.

Steve

[Steve Smith]

Alain57,

Thank you.

[Theo Boiten]

On 9-10 July 1941, a Bf110 D coded G9+EK of 2./NJG1 belly-landed at Blerik near Venlo at 03.00 hrs following air combat, the pilot Fw. Meier sustaining injuries. Does this fit to the 218 Sqn combat report Steve?

[Stig Jarlevik]

None of these losses figure in Foreman/Bock's Air-War 1941, the non-stop offensive Part 1.

It makes me again wonder how accurate their books written about the year 1941 actually are.

Theo

The loss you mention is included in your book of course, but without any WNr. However I found it, 3161, in Balss Deutsche Nachjagd. Since that book came out in 1997, it is even more strange that Foreman/Bock have failed to list it.

Beside the loss of Lent's Do 215 Foreman/Bock has managed to find a loss of a 4./NJG 1 aircraft, WNr 3353, which is not mentioned by Balss and oddly enough not by you either. It is stated to have been hit by return fire and force landed at Schiphol receiving some 15% damage in the whole process.
Somehow I get the feel this aircraft is in "exchange" of the WNr 3161.

Do you or anyone else care to make a comment on this, please?

Cheers
Stig