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23rd March 2009, 22:52
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St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
Does anyone know who was St Kap of 3/123 at the time of its 2000th mission on 28 Aug 43? Possibilities are Hptm Hermann Spreen?
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24th March 2009, 00:02
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Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
A quick search of our database reveals the following incomplete list of Staka of 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 123:
Hptm. Liebe-Piederit (? - 01.09.39 – 19.07.40) KIA Oblt. Adolf Friedrichs (08.40 - 1941/42) Hptm. Hermann Palm (? – 05.42 - ?) Hptm. Siegfried Kirch (? – 22.03.43?) Helmut Schuke (22.03.43? – 11.04.43) MIA Hptm. Helmut Höfer (? – 1944 ?) Hptm. Christian Jährig (1944 - 03.45 – 08.05.45) As for Spreen, all we have about this guy is: SPREEN, Hermann. 01.10.41 promo to Hptm. 01.09.44 promo to Maj. Larry might have more about this in his unit files but he is unavailable until near the end of the month. That’s about all I can say about this DGS
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24th March 2009, 19:04
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Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
Hello Chris,
According to Roman Gastager (Roman Gastager und die "Eiserne Dritte" by Ingo Möbius, published in 2005), Helmut Höfer is your man. Gastager actually identifies him on some of the photographs taken for this event. Doug, thank you for your list! Best regards, Jérémie
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24th March 2009, 19:37
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Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
Jérémie
I have a series of photos of what is said to be the Groth crew with the St Kap standing in front; is this the same? Chris
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#5
24th March 2009, 23:16
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Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
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In the mentioned book the 2000 flight occured 23.08.1943. Ju 88 4U+BL. Take off 16.43 and landing after 1100 km at 19.40. Crew were B Oblt. Klien, FF Oblt. Müller, Bf Kirch and Bs Gastager. They were Greeted by StKptn. Hptm Helmut Höfer. Junker
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#6
24th March 2009, 23:35
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Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
Chris, I don't know these photos, but Helmut Höfer remained as Staffelkapitän till after the retreat from France to Germany in August 1944 and the Groth crew - Uffz Helmut Retsch (F), Oblt Klaus Groth (B), Uffz Horst Ballewski or Ballowski (Bf) and Fw Ernst Beyer (Bs) - was shot down and killed by 2 Allied Fighters during a test/training flight on 21 March 1944. Thus, photos showing the Groth crew with Hptm Höfer would not be completely unexpected.
Best regards, Jérémie
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