Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 18th September 2015, 17:17
bn785371 bn785371 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posts: 99
bn785371
9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

Although a well known subject over many years,always in every publication with the red Höllehund untill recently on this blogspot
http://theprofilepaintshop.blogspot.se/
It "is" black and outlined in red,looking at the photo I included he is probably right.

An old article in SAM of Sept.1979 on this,describes in brief an eyewitness account of a W.S.Walton of Ham Surrey who performed some measuring and colour matching at the time,I wonder how he saw it,anyone has a copy of his notes?
__________________
René
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 18th September 2015, 20:51
sidney sidney is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 935
sidney is on a distinguished road
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

I have the following:

The RAF A.I.1.(g) Report on Crashed Enemy Aircraft, Serial No. 22 of 7 November 1940, Item No.1, Individual Report No. 4/115 gave the account of the circumstances of the 9./JG 26 Staffelkapitän, Oblt. Heinz Ebeling’s Bf 109 E-4, W.Nr. 2740*, "Yellow 1" crash following the collision with the Staffel’s Bf 109 E-1, W.Nr. 3259, "Yellow 11" at Wittersham, Kent on 5 November 1940, along with remarks on the emblem: "…Crest; a black winged demon encircled in red …"

Not the same aircraft, but the emblem style would be.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18th September 2015, 21:42
bn785371 bn785371 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posts: 99
bn785371
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

This proves that there was at least a black version of it during the Battle.

Thanks for replying.
__________________
René
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18th September 2015, 21:49
sidney sidney is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 935
sidney is on a distinguished road
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

You are welcome.

I believe that the black version was in fact introduced shortly before the Battle of France, April/May 1940.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18th September 2015, 22:52
udf_00's Avatar
udf_00 udf_00 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 719
udf_00 is on a distinguished road
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/9jg26/Interesting
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 18th September 2015, 23:11
bn785371 bn785371 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posts: 99
bn785371
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

There is definitly a black(very dark red?) and a red one,just wonder which one is on Fronhöfer's 109.

Thanks
__________________
René

Last edited by bn785371; 20th September 2015 at 14:36.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19th September 2015, 00:51
Larry Hickey Larry Hickey is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Boulder, Colorado USA
Posts: 2,982
Larry Hickey
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

René,

The photo you posted to start this thread off shows a black insignia with a thin red outline.
__________________
Larry Hickey
Eagles Over Europe Project Coordinator
http://airwar-worldwar2.com
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 20th September 2015, 00:05
bn785371 bn785371 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posts: 99
bn785371
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

Larry,thanks for your answer!
__________________
René
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 20th September 2015, 10:52
sidney sidney is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 935
sidney is on a distinguished road
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

I thought that your query was answered already in post No.2 ...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 4th January 2016, 20:30
Phas3e Phas3e is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 22
Phas3e is on a distinguished road
Re: 9/JG26 Fronhöfer Wilhelm 31August 1940 Headcorn

Bit of a bump but...

Can anyone confirm or bust my theory that this aircraft has a 70/71 upper surrface?

looking at the right wing it does appear to have the splinter pattern, add that to the werk number being masked with a green background.

I'm researching this aircraft for a future modelling attempt and am keen to find a unique scheme.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Friendly fire WWII Brian Allied and Soviet Air Forces 803 8th July 2023 15:47
British Second-Line Aircraft lost in France Sept. 1939 - June 1940. Martin Gleeson Allied and Soviet Air Forces 23 23rd March 2020 21:36
610 Sqn 26 Aug 40 Chris Goss Allied and Soviet Air Forces 11 18th August 2013 03:05
German claims and Allied losses May 1940 Laurent Rizzotti Allied and Soviet Air Forces 2 19th May 2010 11:13
Seek victory list of Oblt. Wilhelm Spies of 1./ZG26 in 1940 Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 28th April 2008 01:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net