Need help with ID of Bf110 "S9+CK"

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hi gents!

This a/c from 2./SKG210 or 2./Erpr.Gr.210 (or even 2./ZG1), crashlanded.

It has no EasternFront fuselageband, so it could be most probably from 2./Erpr.Gr.210. But I dont see corresponding losses in list of damage/losses, no S9+LK or S9+CK wich could fit this a/c. It is not S9+LK of Uffz. Baltazar Aretz, as it was little damaged. It is not Uffz. Hermann Strobel's a/c, as it was s/d in Channel.

If it is from 2./SKG210 (Lt. Walter Klöß's S9+LK) - so why it has no Eastern Front Band?

It is unlikly that it is 2./ZG1 a/c, because it has no Eeast. Fr. Fus. Band, and no Wespe on nose.

Any ideas?

[John Vasco]

Evgeny,

There is a further photo of this Bf 110 in my Classic book volume 2. At the time I attributed it to 2./SKG 210. However, I am open to ideas on that point, and would offer the following.

1. It is an 'E' variant, but was fitted with DB 601 A engines (from the photo in the Classic book). The photo in the Classic book shows this Bf 110 has a standard rear fuselage.

2. It could be Bf 110 E, S9+EK, W. Nr. 4209, of Aretz and Schilleng which returned damaged to Calais-Marck after combat over London on 5th October 1940.

3. It could be Bf 110 E-2, W. Nr. 3782, of Tillheim/Patzer on 4th June 1941 which crashed on take-off at Bretigny. There would most likely be no Russian front fuselage band applied at this time.

On balance, I would go for Tillheim/Patzer's Bf 110 of 2./SKG 210. But I wouild be interested to see other's views.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Thanks John!

[Pawel Burchard]

Not sure about this, but when crashing on take-off should the a/c have already feathered propeller (left engine)?

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes, left prop blade is undamaged, as it should be when engine is running.
But for other hand, it could be engine problem (stopped) causes that crash.

[Pawel Burchard]

Not only undamaged but also positioned parallel to airflow, but as I only flew gliders in my life so I do not know if it is a practice and sufficient time to feather the prop when there is engine failure on take-off...

[Evgeny Velichko]

Only a suggestion, but it could be prop pitch mechanism mulfunction, cause stopping of engine.

[Pawel Burchard]

Agreed.