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Old 12th June 2012, 03:10
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Need help IDing I unit I came across...

...Got Don Caldwell's new book; Early on, I came across a unit abbreviation that I was not able to find a definition for (heck I'm just too lazy to look actually...):

JLUberprGr that was stationed at Orleans-Bricy...some sort of training unit or something?

Thanks ahead of time.
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Old 12th June 2012, 03:24
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Jagdlehrer Überprüfungsgruppe?

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Old 12th June 2012, 03:26
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Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...

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Jagdlehrerüber- prüfungsgruppe?

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OK; what does it translate as, by the way.
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Old 12th June 2012, 03:31
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Google says "hunting teacher testing group"

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Old 12th June 2012, 03:41
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Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...

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Google says "hunting teacher testing group"

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Well replace 'hunting' with 'Fighter'...so something like 'Fighter Training Testing Group';

Of course, we're still not totally sure that was what the acronym stood for, though;

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Old 12th June 2012, 03:47
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Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...

Good grief.............

I would translate it as Fighter Instructor Examination (or Testing) Group.

The British Air Ministry's Manual of German Air Force Terminology translates it as Fighter Tactical Experimental Group.

Maybe Caldwell has a better translation.

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Old 12th June 2012, 07:36
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Good grief.............

I would translate it as Fighter Instructor Examination (or Testing) Group.

The British Air Ministry's Manual of German Air Force Terminology translates it as Fighter Tactical Experimental Group.

Maybe Caldwell has a better translation.

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Thanks Larry; the main thing was I couldn't find it anywhere but on the graph & the map...anyhow, I have just started reading the book--and I tend to be a bit of a 'skimmer'.
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Old 12th June 2012, 14:20
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Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...

Nick, Don & Others -

I found some additional information on it in my notes.

Here is how it appears in contemporary Lw. documents while at Orléans-Bricy: School Units: Jagdlehrerüberprüfungsstelle (Oct 42); Jagdlehrerüberprüfungsgruppe (Nov 42 – Aug 43).
And here is an alternate translation provided by RAF intelligence in 1944-45: Fighter Instructors' Refresher Group.

It was organized in accordance with KStN 1886 (L) and had a Stab, 1. (Einsatz-) Staffel and 2. (Übungs-) Staffel, these being an operational and a training squadron respectively. Its Feldpost Nr. was L 53680.

Its title and organization pretty well indicate its function and mission: to provide refresher training to fighter instructors, test them and then either re-certify them or wash them out. In a sampling of 50 of its losses between Aug 42 and Jun 44, only 5 were due to enemy action. The others were all crashes, accidents, engine failures, etc. This suggests that it was almost exclusively engaged in training.

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