heinkel 219

[steven]

hi iam looking for some help i have a logbook to a bordfunker who flew in this aircraft
he has recorded sone air victories and im trying to establish his squadron he flew with in the following aircraft 1r-5b, k7-lf

he shot down on the 7/4/45 two mosquitos

regards steven

[ianatheling]

Im sure the He219 experts can provide more help, but I am sure that there is a miss-reading of the codes here. 1R+5B is not a recognised code. Units carrying 1R+ and K7+ were largely recon units and not He219 nightfighter codes.

The name of the BF would help to provide the correct unit

Ian

[Nick Beale]

Try posting on this specialised thread at the LEMB forum:

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...?showforum=393

[steven]

hi ian

thanks for info i think the code k7 was assigned to nachtaufklaerungsgruppe
on reading into his recordings i think he shot at the aircraft but didnt shoot any down
his name was fredy kessel

[jim norton]

hi steven,
did this guy fly with maritime planes before? i think i have seen his flugbuch! be aware! the first entries are ok but the last ones might be written into his logbook after the war to get better chances while joining the bundeswehr. the lasts flights are in austria after wars end, aren´t they? do you also have his leistungsbuch? be aware, too!
all the best
jim

[steven]

hi jim

yes i have his soldbuch and log book and leistungbuch

just got them today i know two of his awards are wrong i knew that before i got the set

what other concerns were there any help is appriciated

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Steven,

I am quite confident that I may be able to help with my databases of known He219's, He219 operating crews and units etc.
What puzzles me however, is that your log book shows 2 (rare) Mosquito claims in one night in a time that the Mosquito's were almost only vulnerable to the two seats Me262 jet. Another puzzling fact is that the main He219 operating unit was moving north and hardly be able to send up He219's for combat.

If you could reveal the name of the Bordfunker, that would enable me to confirm if this man is genuine or not. If the awards are fake, I would not be surprised at all to discover that the log book has been fabricated too.

If you prefer to contact me off board, please use marcelhogenhuis[at]gmail.com

Marcel Hogenhuis
(I./NJG 1, He219 Project, Venlo airfield in WW-2)

[jim norton]

hi marcel,

the first part is correct, the second part is about flights with he 219 in austrai even at 9th may 1945. i was offered this flugbuch, but i didn´t bought it, because of these fake-entries.

all the best
jim

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Jim,

Well, many years ago the Oberbürgemeister of Vienna wrote to a Dutch airwar historian that it was impossible that an Austrian Luftwaffe pilot could have been missed over the Netherlands because 'Austria was never at war' (!).
The Dutch remember it a bit differently: the chief Nazi administrator of the Netherlands was Arthus Seyss-Inquart, leader of the Austrian Nazi's before the war and hanged after the Nuremberg trials for crimes against humanity.

It would not surprise me at all if someone flew a He219 in Austria after VE-Day until an American or Russian GI told the surprised pilot that the war really was over since a week or two...

I am still hoping to get a look at those logbook pages, all the best, Marcel

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Steven,

I hope we did not offend you in any way by doubting the Mosquito claims with a He219 in the last weeks of WW-2 ?

Would love to see that Flugbuch page(s) in order to see whether our doubts can be confirmed.

All the best, Marcel