Steinhoff JV 44 victories

[marek brzkovsky]

Hallo.
Could you please someone help me?
Ernst Obermaier has written in his book "Die Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe" , that Johannes Steinhoff had shot down 3 Soviet and 3 American airplanes, when he was at the Unit JV 44.

I have found this:


End of Februar (28. 2. 1945 ?) Il-2 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde
End of March (27.3. 1945?) 2x Soviet fighter Steinhoff, Johanes: In Letzter Stunde
8. 4. 1945 B-24 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde
8. 4. 1945 P-51 Toliver/Constable: Das Waren Deutschen Jagdflieger asse
17. 4. 1945 B-17 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde

Please, can you verify (confirm) this from some oficial sources?

Thank you very much for your help.

Brzkovský Marek.

[Jim P.]

Can't state with complete certainty that these are entirely accurate, and some may be duplicates, but here is what I've compiled from various sources.

Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberstltn., , , JV 44, 22-Feb-45, Il-2, -, -, ., -, , yes, Foreman/Harvey, Me 262 Combat Diary, , Fleischer/Rys, Me 262, II,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 27-Mar-45, Il-2 *, Raum Oder, -, ., -, , yes, Forsyth, JV 44, , , *Date uncertain
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 03-Apr-45, B-17, -, -, ., -, , yes, Steinhoff FB, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 05-Apr-45, P-51, -, -, ., -, , yes, Forsyth, JV 44, , Steinhoff FB,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 05-Apr-45, P-51, -, -, ., -, , yes, Steinhoff FB, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 08-Apr-45, B-24, -, -, ., -, , yes, Fleischer/Rys, Me 262, II, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 08-Apr-45, B-17, Raum Stuttgart, -, ., -, , yes, Foreman/Harvey, Me 262 Combat Diary, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 17-Apr-45, B-17, München, -, ., -, , yes, Fleischer: Me 262, II, , , collision

[GMichalski]

hi,
i think he have in the microfilms:
3 claims in JG7
3 in JV44

27,2.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E
27,2.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E
20,3.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Il-2 _____ _____ E
3,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt B-17 09?? _____ W
5,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt P-51 Reim Reim _____ _____ W
9,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt P-51 121? _____ W


but Johannes have more info... i send him a mail...

regards

[marek brzkovsky]

Hello.
Where do these 6 victories come from? From microfish of Lufftwaffe´s victories?
JV 44 wasn´t involved in fights nor on April the 3rd nor April the 9th in the year 1945
I know for sure that on April the 8th 1945 in the fight, when Fährmann was shot down (at 16:15 Lt. Usiatynski from 358. FG), Steinhoff has shot down B-24 and P-51.

Thank you.
Marek Brzkovský

[GMichalski]

hi,
seems a date error, i´ll ask to Johannes,
please waiting him response directly or by me indirectly...

regards

[marek brzkovsky]

Thank you.

Brzkovský Marek

[Heuser]

Originally Posted by marek brzkovsky

I know for sure that on April the 8th 1945 in the fight, when Fährmann was shot down (at 16:15 Lt. Usiatynski from 358. FG), Steinhoff has shot down B-24 and P-51

Neither 8th nor 15th Af lost any B-24s over Germany on 08.04.1945. Further only a single P-51 was shot down by Flak.

Regards

Heuser

[marek brzkovsky]

Thank you.

The P-51 shot down next to Munchen at 16 hours ???

Brzkovský Marek

[GMichalski]

hi,
can you add some info at the P-51 loss?
i search in my sources and don´t find anything...

regards

[Heuser]

Gentlemen

this was P-51 44-64011, 355.FG, 357.FS.

According to MACR 13959, this a/c was hit by Flak around 12.35 hrs while strafing Ansbach a/f.

Pilot was 1./Lt. William J. Cullerton, he died in early 2013.

Regards

Heuser