Losses from the loss list of April 30th 1944

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, guys!

Cleaning up some entries in my loss records database.

See that I have had some problems with the lfd.Nr. 10, 11 and 12 from the report of April 30th 1944 due to a torn page.

For lfd.Nr. 10: Can anyone confirm that Gefr. Parzbier, Obgfr. Herwedz? and Obgfr. Weiland of Ln.Sch. 2 was killed when Ju 86 E-14 WNr 173 crashed on April 26th 1944? I have deduced this from the handwritten summary for the report which is shown on the last page.

For lfd.Nr. 11: Can anyone confirm the crew position of Uffz. Rudi Jahn as being F (Pilot)? As the crew had 1 non-officer killed and 3 wounded (of which one was an officer) it is hard to decide the distribution.

I believe that Hans Fischer might have had the rank of Flg.Stabsing. (or maybe Flg.Haupting.?) and thus is the wounded with officer rank flying as B (Beobachter).

I also need the rank and crew position of Albert Schweppe and Georg Ettel.

For lfd.Nr.12 I guess I would have to accept that the full WNr of the aircraft will never be known - Ju 88 A-5 WNr. 40?????

Regards, and thanks for any assistance in advance,
Andreas B

[Matti Salonen]

I have:
1944-04-26, Lfl.Nachr.Schule 2, Ju 86 E-14, (86)0173, Neustadt/Erzgebirge, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Fischer, Erich, +
Bordfunker Ofw Korn, Wilhelm, +
Bordfunkerschüler Ogfr Herweck, Friedrich, +
Bordfunkerschüler Gefr Packbier, Erich, +
Bordfunkerschüler Gefr Stadie, Helmuth, +
Bordfunkerschüler Ogfr Weiland, Günter, +

Uffz Rudi Jahn was a Bordwart. Otherwise:
1944-04-25, Erpr.St.d.Lw.Travemünde, Do 217 E-4, 1186, RB+YH, Fl.Pl. Bad Zwischenahn, Beim Start um 17.12 Uhr ausgebrochen. Bruch 100 %.
Gefr Ettl, Georg, +
Uffz Jahn, Rudi, +
Fl.St.Ing. Fischer, Hans, verletzt
Uffz Schweppe, Albert, verletzt
Beck, Karl-Heinz, verletzt

What is item 12 in the report?

Matti

[Steve Coates]

The NVM for Fischer's crash lists Beck as a T.A. Sachbearbeiter.

[Andreas Brekken]

Thanks for the info!

Lfd.Nr. 12 is a loss of a Ju 88 of II./F.A.G.101 at Perleberg on April 27th 1944. As far as I can see no personnel injuries, so I doubt there will be any info from WASt.

Must be if some other reference, KTB or likewise have this loss recorded.

Regards,
Andreas

[Matti Salonen]

Correct. No NVM.

Matti

[Peter Achs]

This was Ju 88, W-Nr. 4018, CP+NG.

Why do you need all this information?

Regards
Peter

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Matti and Peter!

Matti - thanks for the confirmation - no surprise with regards to the FAG 101 aircraft.

Peter - my primary reason is that I want to gather what information is available on losses of the Luftwaffe in order top use it later in research - amongst other to confirm tales as given by Norwegian pilots and crew members in the RAF. Also as you might have seen there are several people here that help out with research into incidents when other members of the board ask for assistance - as I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Peter Achs]

Aah, okay.

I knew some people who gathered and gathered and gathered - and died. And nothing happened with the data. The papers ended up in the garbage.

Regards
Peter

[Paul Thompson]

Hello Andreas!

I have sent you a PM, concerning a more general question about Summarische Verlustmeldungen.

Regards,
Paul

[Stig Jarlevik]

Peter

Hmm, wonder why that reminds me of someone else....

Cheers
Stig