Johannes Steinhoff victories

[marek brzkovsky]

Hello.
Can you please help me? It is said that Johannes Steinhoff, the commander of JG 77, achieved 4 victories in September 1944 in Hungary. He himself describes one of them in his memories. In the records (list) of JG 77 is none of them. Does anyone of you know more?
Thank you.
With regards Marek Brzkovský

[christian]

Hi

In his Flugbuch are 2 Claims on the 29.09.1944. Flight 1097 from Piscolt to Klausenburg (11.15 - 13.45 Uhr), Me Bf 109 G WNr.780890. Hope it helps.

Greetings Christian

[Nikita Egorov]

Christian,

May I ask you if Steinhoff's Flugbuch for the period July 1942 - February 1943 survived and available somewhere?

[GMichalski]

hi, in Johannes (of the forum) info:
22,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
24,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
24,9,44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
25,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Bf109 raum Klausenberg Klausenberg area _____ _____ E N.B N u/c

seems all unconfirmed....
regards

[Nick Hector]

Christian,

Can you tell us the types of aircraft claimed on 29.9.44?

[Johannes]

Steinhoff made no claim for 29th September 1945, after the four unconfirmed he next claims:-

27th February 1945 2 X Jak-9 Nr.163-164 Stab./Jg7
20th March 1945 Il-2 Nr.165 Stab./Jg7
3rd April 1945 B-17 Nr.166 Jv44
5th April 1945 P-51 Nr.167 Jv44
9th April 1945 P-51 Nr.168 Jv44

Steinhoff had his fair amount of unconfirmed, apart from those for September 1944 they were:-

2nd July 1941 DB-3
9th July 1941 Pe-2
19th Mai 1942 Il-2 at 0840 hrs
22nd May 1942 MiG-1
25th February 1944 B-17
14th July 1944 B-25
25th August 1944 P-38 at 1000 hrs

He once shot down a Russian fighter, the pilot baled-out, he submitted his claim form stating that he didn't actually see the aircraft crash, they wrote back asking why you should think that they would uphold a claim when you admit you didn;t see it crash, Steinhoff wrote back "I just assumed that a pilotless aircraft didn't fly it's self back to base and land safely".....they replied "Unconfirmed" !!

Regards

Johannes

[christian]

Hi

In the Flugbuch are no Types of his claims for this time.

Greetings Christian

[marek brzkovsky]

Hello Christian and GMichalski.
Thanks a lot for your help and answers. Each of you is writing about different dates and times.
Christian:
29.9.1944 2x e/a 11.15 – 13.45 Uhr

GMichalski:
22.9.44 Yak-9 E NB N u / c
24.9.44 Il-2 E NB N u/c
24.9.44 Yak-9 E NB N u/c
25.9.44 Bf109 raum Klausenberg E NB N u/c
Can you please write me your sources? Where do your information come from (books, forum, web?). Where can I find it and read it? Thank you very much!
Marek

[Dénes Bernád]

I bumped this thread because it deals with the new one started today by Marek.

[marek brzkovsky]

Hello mr Bernád,

Don´t you know any details, more information about these victories?

Marek Brzkovský