19/02 - Bf109s on eBay

[ouidjat]

Hi,

another strange marking... for me; and some documented pictures, except the last one. Grrrr...

1. http://cgi.ebay.de/orig-Foto-Luftwaf...item2c5ae9ee14
That Black/Rote 13 has been well documented and pictured by PK.
2. http://cgi.ebay.de/Me-109-Messerschm...item2c5ae9f550
JFS 1??
3. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item3f077ef955
Please, buyer, when you'll get it give us pilot's name!
4. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-ME1...item20b74d1180
I thought the "Idioten-Emil" had some special wheel devices under wings. Check the super charger!
5. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-ME1...item20b74d1499
Ossun?... Hmmm Yes Ossun, 3./JG 101 then.
6. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-ME1...item20b74d174b
DN+KC WNr.15331 ! Erla build.
7. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-2-WK-ME...item27b8e379e0
8. http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-FLUGZEUG-Me-...item230e6d38fb
"Gelbe 1" it seems.

Regards, Franck.

[RT]

6. http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-ME1...item20b74d174b
DN+KC WNr.15331 ! Erla build.

I "tipp" on DN+KG 15335 any of that serie used by ..Messerschmitt in Augsburg

Rémi

[ouidjat]

Bonjour Rémi,

Block 15205-16000 is given by Prien & Rodeike as Erla build in "Messerschmitt Bf109F,G & K An illustrated Study". Cited in Falcon site.

BUT: DN+KJ is cited in Stammkennzeichen.de as MTT augsburg in July 1943. It's the only one of DN+Kx serie cited in this site, as well in van Gogh list (Peter doesn't dare to give the complete serie; he doesn't think - with good reasons that having ONE in the list is enough to take the whole for sure!)... but for a good reason: It is given as V50 in 1943 at MTT.

So??...

"We" already talked about that block (where we can found 15208 a G-4(Trop?)/G-12 -See elsewhere on TOCH) which is problematic.

Is Prien completely wrong about it? Or just a little?

Concerning the last letter, I see a "C" underwing; though I wasn't sure - like you - on fuselage.

Regards, Franck.

[Rasmussen]

And where is the problem? ...

In stammkennzeichen.de is Mtt. Augsburg cited as "owner" and not as "producer" of the "DN + KJ". There were other Erla-machines too used by Mtt. as test a/c (V-54, V-55).

And where is the problem with the W.Nr.15208 (an G-4 trop. without an "?"). I checked the other thread again but i didn't understand the problem ...

[ouidjat]

Hello,

I'm not the one who wrote Block 15205-16000 are G-6s... specially when the Stkz. serie starts in G-4/Trop production block and ends in the following G-6 (i.e. 15205-16000) production Block.

Anyway, you're right; it's not a "problem"...

Regards, Franck.

[Rasmussen]

The "illustrated story" from Prien/ Rodeike printed in 1995 is outdated in some points in the meantime ... the correct batch was given by me in the corrections of JFV 10/III on p.370 --- the last G-4 trop was W.Nr.15209, the first G-6 trop the W.Nr.15210.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[ouidjat]

Ach! Great news!

Thanks very much!
I didn't know that, though I knew you were involved in such matters somewhere & sometime to time... Left some sites & datas bank on line to change it;
I will appear less stupid next time. .

Tschöö, Franck.

[Miguel]

3. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item3f077ef955
Please, buyer, when you'll get it give us pilot's name!

Hello Franck,

Another photo of that plane has been published several times. According to Prien's JFV vol10/II pag. 447, the pilot is Lt. Andreas Trockels.

Cheers

Miguel

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Miguel

3. http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeu...item3f077ef955
Please, buyer, when you'll get it give us pilot's name!

Hello Franck,

Another photo of that plane has been published several times. According to Prien's JFV vol10/II pag. 447, the pilot is Lt. Andreas Trockels.

Cheers

Miguel

Who is mentioned in Knoke's book. (if memorory serves correctly).

[ouidjat]

Thank you Miguel & John.
Any idea of "Hjördis" meaning; woman first name?

Cheers, Franck.