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Old 22nd December 2009, 20:28
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Erg.Gr Sud 1943-44 Losses
Hi,

as I have had such good replies on my previous items on Luftwaffe units
n MTO, here is another loss list up for comment/correction etc:-

Erg.Gr. Sud


28.11.1943 Fw.Herbert Kammerling (1) KIA Fw190A-3 (30273) White 3 LK S. Toulon
Fw.Walter Leifelfing (1) KIA Fw190A-3 (32143) White 9 LK S. Toulon


02.12.1943 Hpt.Lorenz Bauer (1) KIA Fw190A-6 (531070) White 2 LK Marseille
Uffz.Alexis V Bentheim (2) KIA Bf109F-2 (8085) Red 12 LK Marseille
Uffz.Josef Gerten (2) KIA Bf109G-4 (16232) Red 3 Lk Marseille


28.12.1943 Fw.Franz-Josef Kurth (1) KIA Fw190A-5 (52655) White 4 LK Hyeres by P38 FSA



21.01.1944 Fw.Werner Doring (2) WIA Bf109F-4 (7528) Red 16 LK Salon
Fw.Heinz Frankenbach (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (18639) White 32 Absturz Aix en Pr.
Uffz.Edmund Stoppant (1) KIA Bf109F-4 (7028) White 14 LK Marseille
FgUffz Rudolf Walde (4) KIA Bf109F-4 (7176) Blue 16 LK I de Hyeres


27.01.1944 Uffz.Franz Berger (1) WIA Bf109F-4 (10267) White 1 LK Arles FSA
Lt.Hartmann V Manndorf (4) KIA Bf109F-4 (7471) Blue 13 LK Marseille


29.04.1944 Uffz.Peter Heinz (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (412113) White 12 LK S. Toulon


13.05.1944 Fw.Erhard Riedel (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (341324) White 2 LK W. Salon


15.05.1944 Uffz.Heinrich Jonetz (1) WIA Bf109G-4 (19286) White 22 Absturz Avignon


25.05.1944 Uffz.Werner Neumann (1) WIA Bf109G-6 (163024) White 10 LK N.St.Raphael FSA



27.05.1944 Uffz.Fritz Notzold (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (26102) White 24 LK S. Arles


Looking forward to your replies


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Old 22nd December 2009, 22:36
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From Ultra, I have Notzold's aircraft as Werk Nummer 20683.

What sources are you using, Bruce?
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Old 22nd December 2009, 22:58
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Hi Nick,

as I noted previously I got several hand-written lists in 1981 when I was working with Davy McKee on a large project in Cologne.
One of he engineers was a WW2 aviaton buff and I got quite friendly with him, he supplied me with the lists from his own research, sadly he passed away in the 90's.


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Hi,
28.12.1943 Fw.Franz-Josef Kurth (1) KIA Fw190A-5 (52655) White 4 LK Hyeres by P38 FSA.
In my Knowledge the good day is 28.11.1943. The allied claimed any aerial victory on 28.12 an any P-38 unit was active over southern France this particuliar day.
The 1st FGwas involved on 28.11.1943 against german fighters. P-38 flew escort for the 42nd Bomb Wing (B-26) targeting german bomber's A/D.
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Old 23rd December 2009, 19:33
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Hi Guy,
Thanks for your comment, I am sure that you are correct - the only Luftwaffe loss in MTO on 28 Dec 1943 I have noted is a Me.410 (or 210) (F6+RK) of 2(F)/122 shot down near Elba by /Lt.T E Yon in a Spitfire of the 5thFS/52nd FG.

On 28 Nov 1943 the following pilots of 71st FS/1st FG ( flying P.38's claimed Fw190's in the vicinity of Toulon:-
F.O. J B Boyd - 1; 1/Lt. A C Chase - 1; and Lt. G H Parker - 1. with Parker also claiming a probable plus a damaged and 1/Lt C E Simpson claiming
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These 3 surely must be Kammerling, Leifelfing and Kurth. Incidentally can anyone tell me what FSA stands for ?

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Incidentally can anyone tell me what FSA stands for ?

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The corpse of Fw Kurth was discovered some days later floating near the Porquerlloes Island.
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Very interesting thread...thanks
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Hello,

Thanks everyone for the responses to this thread.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all

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Hi Bruce,

small correction for:
Uffz.Edmund Stoppant (1) KIA Bf109F-4 (7028) White 14 LK Marseille

I was looking long time for more information for this loss, specially for Stoppant, finally i received some information via WASt.

The correct name is Edmund Stoppani.

For Wälde i have a some information and documents (Letters, picture, eye withness reports), i wrote an article for Flugzeug Classic about identification of his Bf 109 wreck two years ago.
German version:

http://www.abtauchen.com/pdf/WaeldeBF109Artikel.pdf

French version:
http://www.abtauchen.com/pdf/WaeldeB...ikelFrance.pdf


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