Erg.Gr Sud 1943-44 Losses

[Bruce Lander]

Hi,

as I have had such good replies on my previous items on Luftwaffe units
n MTO, here is another loss list up for comment/correction etc:-

Erg.Gr. Sud


28.11.1943 Fw.Herbert Kammerling (1) KIA Fw190A-3 (30273) White 3 LK S. Toulon
Fw.Walter Leifelfing (1) KIA Fw190A-3 (32143) White 9 LK S. Toulon


02.12.1943 Hpt.Lorenz Bauer (1) KIA Fw190A-6 (531070) White 2 LK Marseille
Uffz.Alexis V Bentheim (2) KIA Bf109F-2 (8085) Red 12 LK Marseille
Uffz.Josef Gerten (2) KIA Bf109G-4 (16232) Red 3 Lk Marseille


28.12.1943 Fw.Franz-Josef Kurth (1) KIA Fw190A-5 (52655) White 4 LK Hyeres by P38 FSA



21.01.1944 Fw.Werner Doring (2) WIA Bf109F-4 (7528) Red 16 LK Salon
Fw.Heinz Frankenbach (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (18639) White 32 Absturz Aix en Pr.
Uffz.Edmund Stoppant (1) KIA Bf109F-4 (7028) White 14 LK Marseille
FgUffz Rudolf Walde (4) KIA Bf109F-4 (7176) Blue 16 LK I de Hyeres


27.01.1944 Uffz.Franz Berger (1) WIA Bf109F-4 (10267) White 1 LK Arles FSA
Lt.Hartmann V Manndorf (4) KIA Bf109F-4 (7471) Blue 13 LK Marseille


29.04.1944 Uffz.Peter Heinz (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (412113) White 12 LK S. Toulon


13.05.1944 Fw.Erhard Riedel (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (341324) White 2 LK W. Salon


15.05.1944 Uffz.Heinrich Jonetz (1) WIA Bf109G-4 (19286) White 22 Absturz Avignon


25.05.1944 Uffz.Werner Neumann (1) WIA Bf109G-6 (163024) White 10 LK N.St.Raphael FSA



27.05.1944 Uffz.Fritz Notzold (1) KIA Bf109G-6 (26102) White 24 LK S. Arles


Looking forward to your replies


Cheers


Bruce Lander

[Nick Beale]

From Ultra, I have Notzold's aircraft as Werk Nummer 20683.

What sources are you using, Bruce?

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Nick,

as I noted previously I got several hand-written lists in 1981 when I was working with Davy McKee on a large project in Cologne.
One of he engineers was a WW2 aviaton buff and I got quite friendly with him, he supplied me with the lists from his own research, sadly he passed away in the 90's.


Merry Christmas

Bruce

[Guy JULIEN]

Hi,
28.12.1943 Fw.Franz-Josef Kurth (1) KIA Fw190A-5 (52655) White 4 LK Hyeres by P38 FSA.
In my Knowledge the good day is 28.11.1943. The allied claimed any aerial victory on 28.12 an any P-38 unit was active over southern France this particuliar day.
The 1st FGwas involved on 28.11.1943 against german fighters. P-38 flew escort for the 42nd Bomb Wing (B-26) targeting german bomber's A/D.
Have a nice day, and Merry Christmas
Guy

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Guy,
Thanks for your comment, I am sure that you are correct - the only Luftwaffe loss in MTO on 28 Dec 1943 I have noted is a Me.410 (or 210) (F6+RK) of 2(F)/122 shot down near Elba by /Lt.T E Yon in a Spitfire of the 5thFS/52nd FG.

On 28 Nov 1943 the following pilots of 71st FS/1st FG ( flying P.38's claimed Fw190's in the vicinity of Toulon:-
F.O. J B Boyd - 1; 1/Lt. A C Chase - 1; and Lt. G H Parker - 1. with Parker also claiming a probable plus a damaged and 1/Lt C E Simpson claiming
2 damaged.
These 3 surely must be Kammerling, Leifelfing and Kurth. Incidentally can anyone tell me what FSA stands for ?

Cheers

Bruce Lander

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

Hi Guy,
Incidentally can anyone tell me what FSA stands for ?

Cheers

Bruce Lander

Bailed out.................

[Bruce Lander]

Hi John,

thanks for that

Cheers

Bruce

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by John Beaman

Bailed out.................

«Fallschirmabsprung» in German (parachute jump).

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Nick,

thanks for the translation.

I notice from Frank Olynyk's MTO Claims book that there wer quite a few USAAF combats ovr the South of France in 1944, were there any other Luftwaffe fighter units active in the area ?

By the way ,I am a big fan of your Ghost Bombrs Site plus i have both your excellent books.

all the very best

Bruce

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lander

Hi Nick,

thanks for the translation.

I notice from Frank Olynyk's MTO Claims book that there were quite a few USAAF combats ovr the South of France in 1944, were there any other Luftwaffe fighter units active in the area ?

By the way, I am a big fan of your Ghost Bombrs Site plus I have both your excellent books.

all the very best

Bruce

In 1944 IIRC, I./JG 2 (Fw 190 and Bf 109) put in the occasional appearance and made some claims; 2./NAG 13 was based at Cuers and lost a few aircraft to the Allies (again Fw 190 and Bf 109); III./SG 4 was refitting there for a while also, with individual Staffeln flying anti-submarine patrols (from what I remember of the War Diary entries, these were entirely uneventful).

Glad you like the books.