Arado 109E plates

[stephen f. polyak]

Any info on these plates, and W.Nr. 3346 and 3356, will be welcome.

Thank you,
Steve

[stephen f. polyak]

With thanks to John Beaman in an earlier post:

Bf 109E, 3346, 1.JG 27wei§e7 +, Fall 1940., Kanal, Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.109 photo, Guines-

Is it possible to see a scan of the photo he mentioned?

[Rasmussen]

W.Nr. 3346 was an AGO produced Bf 109E-1 under repair in Erla Antwerpen in the time frame from 16.12.1940 - 31.01.1941.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello,

Regarding WNr.3356, I have this one with a note that it was flown by Uffz. Heinz Bär around October 1939, with the 1./JG51 at Fl.Pl. Speyer, marked weisse 13+.
The data is from Prien's JFV series.

best regards,
TH

[Tom Willis]

Hi Rasmussen

I am not doubting you. But if you say W/Nr. 3346 was built by AGO. Why does the plate say Arado Flugzeugwerke?

If you could help clear this up I would be most grateful

Thanks

Regards

Tom Willis

[Stig Jarlevik]

Guys

I echo Tom on this. How can the aircraft have been built by AGO if the plate says Arado?
Also on a perhaps more trivial note, why does the physical appearance of the two plates differ so much? Did the engraver (is it called that?) with Arado do just as he pleased when he manufactured these plates....?

Also Stephen, what is the meaning of the plate in the middle?

Cheers
Stig

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Tom Willis

Hi Rasmussen
I am not doubting you.

That's o.k. so because you have to doubt on two complete different primary sources: 1.) the 5-day-reports of FRB Erla VII Antwerpen and 2.) the "Änderungsliste Bf 109", Blatt 42, (published here on TOCH). Both sources reported the W.Nr.3346 as an AGO machine (and the JFV, v.1, by Prien too but this isn't an primary source). The explanation of Stephen could be the solution ... it's the same like the Bf 110 in Berlin. I'd guess they found an plate by Erla (maybe with the W.Nr.) and thought the Bf 110 was built by Erla (and wrote this on her exhibition plate) but ... Erla was the producer of the wings and not more. Now they had correct it.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[Merlin]

Gentlemen,

there is no miracle behind these tow planes. The "Änderungsliste Bf 109" (published here on TOCH) lists those production numbers for which a specific technical upgrade became necessary.

Blatt 65 of this document gives the Bf 109E-1 series from Arado and Ago on which the oilcooler cover has to be modified. Here one can see that both production areas are overlapping each other:
Ago 3300 to 3359
Arado 3333 to 3664

Consequently the information on the data plate as well as Rasmussen's reply post #8 are correct.