ME 109 Rheims September 1944

[waldo_pepper]

ME 109 at Rheims Airfield September 1944.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

A most interesting shot, Waldo Pepper:

Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 162080 "RW+EC" "Grüne 9", Stab JG 11 (?), Reims-Champagne, Fall 1944. Source: AI2(G) Serial 255.

Was it found on a website or is it from your collection ? Whatever, many thanks!

Cheers
Marc

[Heuser]

Great photo!

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

"...Stab JG 11 (?)..."

Marc-André - this was a recce a/c, fitted with the "Rüstsatz 2" (see Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report or the Air Technical Intelligence Report for Reims a/f).

At least NAGr.13 lost two more 109 of this Werknummerblock (162 066 and 162 067).

Regards,

Heuser

[Broncazonk]

What color is that aircraft?? Is that 76 from nose to tail?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Broncazonk

What color is that aircraft?? Is that 76 from nose to tail?

I was quite surprised at the camouflage scheme since they tended to operate at low level over Normandy. If (a big "if", obviously) it followed the usual 4.(F)123 practice, it would have been "blue 9" with a yellow rudder and yellow panel under the engine (as per ULTRA CX/MSS/T209/183). The ruder in the photo does appear a slightly different shade from the fuselage but of course that could be caused by reflection if it was at a slight angle.

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Heuser

Great photo!



Marc-André - this was a recce a/c, fitted with the "Rüstsatz 2" (see Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report or the Air Technical Intelligence Report for Reims a/f).

At least NAGr.13 lost two more 109 of this Werknummerblock (162 066 and 162 067).

Regards,

Heuser

Yes, and it was reported damaged 25% at Fl.Pl. Juterbog-damm earlier in mai in II./NAG 102.
AI2(g) precise G-6/R2 .... fitted with MW50 and cameras!

I don't see AS half-moon cowling and since the gun through are closed there is no need of "normal" G-6 beule .. this is a G-6, not a G-6/AS.

Hence a G-6/R2 like described in AI2(g) report, when it was described as a G-6 in II./NAG 102 accident report.

Regards, Franck.

[waldo_pepper]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

A most interesting shot, Waldo Pepper:

Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 162080 "RW+EC" "Grüne 9", Stab JG 11 (?), Reims-Champagne, Fall 1944. Source: AI2(G) Serial 255.

Was it found on a website or is it from your collection ? Whatever, many thanks!

Cheers
Marc

Hello Marc,

it is originally from the web, I had it on an old hard drive and found it while searching for other images. Nice to know it is not common and happy to provide a small offering to the knowledgeable members here whose efforts I respect immensely.
regards
Bill

[waldo_pepper]

Another view of the same aircraft.
regards
Bill.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Many thanks, Heuser, for tying this unit's machine down. Franck, we do see very clearly the curvature of the upper gun and engine cowling. Obviously a G-6/R2/AS...

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Hi Marc,

Since that machine was in use in II./NAG102 before the fact that NAGr.13 got machines with close WNr. is a mere coincidence.
But, in the mean time, I don't see any other possible NAGr. in France than NAGr. 13 during that period + 3./NAGr.14 Under Satb NAGr.13 command.

I see nothing, sorry, and I'm surprise two reports name it a G-6 ..

Regards, Franck.