Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen

[Matt13]

Hello everyone from the new member of the forum.

I got some credible informations from independent sources that near village Goltzen (today Kolesin - Poland) there was a crash of Bf 109. They say that the situation took place in 1944/45 but in this fact I don't know if I could believe them in 100%.

Is there any good source to confirm this information? Or maybe not even confirm. This is 99% fact. I would like to find out anything - the specific type of Bf, who was a pilot? Anyone can help?

In some data base I found information about Bf crushed in Grunberg (Zielona Góra). The pilot was Norbert Hahn. It is 30 km from Goltzen so I doubt it is the same plane.

Thank you very much in advance
Matt

[Charles Bavarois]

Hello Matt,

Uffz Norbert Hahn was kia 31. January 1945 NE of Grünberg due to unknown reasons. He was with 11./JG 6 and flew a Bf 109 G14 Werknummer 464894 "black 5".

For "Goltzen" I only found an emergency-landing of Uffz Ernst Herold at Schinkendorff near Golzen (without "t") on 25. February 1944 due to fog. But I think, this is indeed Golzen, a small village near Leipzig.

Carl

[Rottler]

Hello Matt,

in the Gen.Qu. loss report from 4 March 1945 No. 190 is only listed:
31.1. III./JG 6 Feindflug Ursache: Unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 464894 100%
Uffz Norbert Hahn vermisst.

Regards
Leo

[Matt13]

Originally Posted by Rottler

Hello Matt,

in the Gen.Qu. loss report from 4 March 1945 No. 190 is only listed:
31.1. III./JG 6 Feindflug Ursache: Unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 464894 100%
Uffz Norbert Hahn vermisst.

Regards
Leo

So they didn't find him or his body? What does 100% mean?

[Chris Goss]

100%=TOTALLY DESTROYED

[Matt13]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

100%=TOTALLY DESTROYED

Thank you.

After hours of studying archives I more and more doubt it is the plane of Hahn. In some Russian site I found this:
30 января 1945
унтер-офицер Герхард Дёпке (Uffz. Gerhard Dоpke), 10./JG.6
На истребителе Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 786533 «Schwarze 4» не вернулся из полета в район Унруштадта, ныне Каргова (Польша).

Mentioned town Kargowa is 10 km from Goltzen. This is the closest I found. What is more - it is not written that it crashed near Kargowa but it was the destination. I assume plane not found.

[Matt13]

Originally Posted by Charles Bavarois

Hello Matt,

Uffz Norbert Hahn was kia 31. January 1945 NE of Grünberg due to unknown reasons. He was with 11./JG 6 and flew a Bf 109 G14 Werknummer 464894 "black 5".

For "Goltzen" I only found an emergency-landing of Uffz Ernst Herold at Schinkendorff near Golzen (without "t") on 25. February 1944 due to fog. But I think, this is indeed Golzen, a small village near Leipzig.

Carl

You are right that Goltzen was sometimes written as "Golzen" but in this case - Golzen near Leipzig is a different village.

North East - that's correct! But in the straight line the place where the plane is said to be crushed is located 25 km from Zielona Góra centre. Isn't it to far to be a reference point in the registry? I think that accurate German army could use smaller but closer Zullichau (Sulechow - 10 km) or Bomst (Babimost - 5 km). I don't know I just guess. What do you think?

(sorry for posting two posts in row but I didn't manage to put 2 quotes in one)

regards