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Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
Hello everyone from the new member of the forum.
I got some credible informations from independent sources that near village Goltzen (today Kolesin - Poland) there was a crash of Bf 109. They say that the situation took place in 1944/45 but in this fact I don't know if I could believe them in 100%. Is there any good source to confirm this information? Or maybe not even confirm. This is 99% fact. I would like to find out anything - the specific type of Bf, who was a pilot? Anyone can help? In some data base I found information about Bf crushed in Grunberg (Zielona Góra). The pilot was Norbert Hahn. It is 30 km from Goltzen so I doubt it is the same plane. Thank you very much in advance Matt |
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
Hello Matt,
Uffz Norbert Hahn was kia 31. January 1945 NE of Grünberg due to unknown reasons. He was with 11./JG 6 and flew a Bf 109 G14 Werknummer 464894 "black 5". For "Goltzen" I only found an emergency-landing of Uffz Ernst Herold at Schinkendorff near Golzen (without "t") on 25. February 1944 due to fog. But I think, this is indeed Golzen, a small village near Leipzig. Carl
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
Hello Matt,
in the Gen.Qu. loss report from 4 March 1945 No. 190 is only listed: 31.1. III./JG 6 Feindflug Ursache: Unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 464894 100% Uffz Norbert Hahn vermisst. Regards Leo |
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
So they didn't find him or his body? What does 100% mean?
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
100%=TOTALLY DESTROYED
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
Thank you.
After hours of studying archives I more and more doubt it is the plane of Hahn. In some Russian site I found this: 30 января 1945 унтер-офицер Герхард Дёпке (Uffz. Gerhard Dоpke), 10./JG.6 На истребителе Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 786533 «Schwarze 4» не вернулся из полета в район Унруштадта, ныне Каргова (Польша). Mentioned town Kargowa is 10 km from Goltzen. This is the closest I found. What is more - it is not written that it crashed near Kargowa but it was the destination. I assume plane not found. |
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Re: Bf 109 crushed near Goltzen
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North East - that's correct! But in the straight line the place where the plane is said to be crushed is located 25 km from Zielona Góra centre. Isn't it to far to be a reference point in the registry? I think that accurate German army could use smaller but closer Zullichau (Sulechow - 10 km) or Bomst (Babimost - 5 km). I don't know I just guess. What do you think? (sorry for posting two posts in row but I didn't manage to put 2 quotes in one) regards |
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