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Old 23rd January 2007, 20:31
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Question 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Hello !
Pilot of this plane was Hptm Flgr ALTVATER. He was WIA and became POW.
Who were the other crewmembers? Any idea? Thnks!
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Old 24th January 2007, 19:44
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Hi fred,
I see you are looking for info on this crewmember, can yuo contact me at
junkers@londoner.zzn.com
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Old 25th January 2007, 09:45
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Stab KG3 Dornier Do17Z. Damaged by flak south-west of Compičgne then crippled in repeated attacks by Curtiss H-75s near Sedan and crashed near the German frontier 10.15 a.m. Credited to Capt Accart and Sgt Morel of GC I/5. Hptmn G. Altvater captured. Lt H. Hübner, Oberfw H. Bolowski, Oberfw F. Schwede, and Obergefr K. Rosenkranz all wounded but evaded capture. Aircraft a write-off.
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Old 25th January 2007, 12:45
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Hi Fred

Is this airplane crashed at Redu or Sainte-Cecile ? because there are 30KM between the two places , a supposed Do-17 crashed at Redu “Les Waolins (?)” the 12th maybe 7./KG 2
Fw Klöttschen (POW)--- Lt Giesecke (POW)---Uffz Tillner (POW)---Fw Rösl (POW)
But I am not sure at all .

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Old 25th January 2007, 21:38
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

All,

These are I believe the 2 Do-17Z's that crashed in the belgian Ardennes on May 12:

Do-17Z 5K+?A of Stab/KG3 at REDU ~10.45
Crew: Hptm ALTVATER (observer, wounded), Obfw Fritz SCHWEDE (Bordfunker, wounded), rest unhurt: Lt H. HÜBNER, Obfw H. BOLOWSKI, Obgfr K. ROSENKRANZ
Aircraft claimed by Hawk H75 pilots of GC I/5 (Suippes) during patrol towards Sedan. The aircraft was flying alone, and was attacked by capitaine Acart (No 151-1), sergent-chef Morel (193), Sgt Perina (254), Lt Marin la Meslée (158-2), Lt Rey (204) and sergent-chef Penzini. Accart is hit by return fire, slightly wounded and has to return. The others continue for a while, and finally Morel continues the chase until the aircraft chashes near Redu.

Do-17Z U5+?R of 7./KG2 at BERTRIX ~18.00
Landed in Vresse, 20 km west of Bertrix.
Crew: Pilot Fw Willy KLÖTTSCHEN, Observer Lt Dietrich GIESECKE, Bordfunker Uffz Paul TILLNER, Bordmechaniker Fw Hans RÖSL all lightly wounded and taken prisoner by french, but later returned to their unit.
Part of III./KG2 formation that attacked area south of Charleville, hit by french DTCA over Signy.


Hope this helps.

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Old 25th January 2007, 22:15
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Great information thanks

Another A/C is said loss near the Belgian/French border Do-17 Z 7./KG 6 F1+?R Fw Reiske

No more on this event except that this airplane is claim by the F/O Campbell Hurricane L-1970 87Sqn

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Old 28th January 2007, 11:15
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Re: 1/ St/ KG3 Do17Z, crashed May 12,1940,Sainte Cecile-Rédu,B.

Hey guys!
Whaw....amazing ...a lot of answers and probably new questions!
Thanks !!!
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