Schmitt's of SG1 and SG77

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

I have two Schmitt's who I suspect could very well be the same person. Could any body please tell me if they know of there forenames. I cannot fing either of then in loses! The ranks would be a natural progression for one person.

Details are:-

6th July 1943 3./SG 1 Lt Il-2 1450 hrs 30 metres altitude.
8th July 1943 3./SG 1 Lt Il-2 1000 hrs 20 metres altitude.

8th April 1944 4./SG 77 Oblt Pe-2 0805 hrs 3000 metres altitude.
18th April 1944 II./JG 77 Oblt Il-5 1930 hrs 800 metres altitude.
27th August 1944 II./JG 77 Oblt Il-2 1335 hrs 400 metres altitude.

Grateful for any assistance

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Matti Salonen]

Perhaps Stephan Schmitt. The following can be found:
1942-11-26, Stab Schl.G 1, Boden, Obliwskaja, Infanteriebeschuß.
Nahr.Offz Lt Schmitt, Stephan, verletzt
1944-10-07, 5./SG 77, FW 190F-8, 932491, 10 schw, Bei Fuzes-Gyarmat, Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Olt Schmitt, Stephan, vermißt
Olt Schmitt Staffelkapitän und mit Fallschirm abgesprungen.

Matti

[lilsis]

Hi

06. Juli 1943 Lt. Norbert Schmitt, 3. /Schlachtgeschwader 1, IL-2, 14:50, Film C 2032 II

08. April 1944 Olt. Stephan Schmitt, Stab II/Schlachtgeschwader 77, PE-2, 08:05, Film C I, Anerk.Nr. 52
05.May 1944 Olt. Stephan Schmitt, 5./Schlachtgeschwader 77, Yak-9, 05.18, Film C 2032I, Anerkennung Nr. 81

Edit: Can it be, that "Schmitt" JG77 = Schmidt? or u mean SG inplace JG?

Your : 18th April 1944 II./JG 77 Oblt Il-5 1930 hrs 800 metres altitude - can it be u mean 18. Juli 1944, Olt. Stephan Schmitt, Stab II/Schlachtgeschwader 77, IL-5, 19:30, 40 12:800m?

Information : Norbert Schmitt was later Staffelkapitän 3./SG10 Ritterkreuz 28. Febr. 45
Stephan Schmitt was Staffelkapitän 5./SG77 Ritterkreuz 29. Okt. 44

[Kapper]

Johannes/LG

I believe the name of Lt. Norbert Schmitt as listed in the Tony Wood's list for the 6 Jul 43 claim, is wrong (another misread name from the handwritten files or porr microfilm image?). I have found no information of Norbert Schmitt ever serving in the original Schlachtgeschwader 1 (SchG1 to differentiate with the later Schlachtgeschwader 1 as SG1). During the reorganistion of the ground forces on 18 Oct 43, I/SchG1 became II/SG77 where Oblt Stephan Schmitt was Staffelkapitan 5/SG77 (MIA 7 Oct 44). Therefore, I believe these July 1943 claims should be for Lt. Stephan Schmitt which fits the unit name redesignation. Outside this, I have no proof that this is correct.

Regards,

Craig...

[lilsis]

Hi,

Norbert : *11.05.1921 +26.03.1945 RK as Olt /Staffelkapitän 3./SG19 28.02.1945

Stephan: *18.10.1917 +07.10.1944 RK as Olt/Staffelkapitän 5./SG77
29.10.1944

[Doug Stankey]

According to our officer career database, the only Schmitt's associated with SG units were:

SCHMITT, Norbert. (DOB: 11.05.21 in Reutlingen). (R DKG). c.07.42 began operations on completion of training. (n.d.) with 8./ZG 1. 07.43 in 3./Schl.G. 1. 15.09.43 Lt., Staka? 2./Schl.G. 2 (later 2./SG 10). 17.01.44 Lt., awarded the Ehrenpokal. 01.04.44 Oblt., appt Staka 3./SG 10 (to 26.03.45). 10.05.44 awarded DKG, 3./SG 10. 28.02.45 Oblt., awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka 3./SG 10. †26.03.45. Credited with a total of c.450 operational sorties and c.30 aerial victories.

SCHMITT, Stephan. (DOB: 18.10.17 in Lindenhardt an der Pegnitz). (R, DKG). 01.11.41 promo to Lt. 10.42 began operations on completion of training. 01.11.43 promo to Oblt., Staka 5./SG 77. 17.01.44 awarded the Ehrenpokal. 31.05.44 Oblt., awarded DKG, 5./SG 77. 07.10.44 MIA/KIA – in Fw 190 shot down by AA fire while attacking Russian armor with Panzerschreck anti-tank rockets near the Hungarian-Romanian border. 29.10.44 Oblt., posthumously awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka 5./SG 77.

The Tom Kracker database may provide more details concerning minor awards and any aerial victories.



We hope that this helps.

HLdZ
DGS

[Johannes]

Thanks Guys

Yes, the handwritting on the micro films is generally diabolical, and usually without forenames. No dis-respect to Tony Woods, but I do not believe he knows the individuals in each staffel, we have probably read the surname and come to the same conclusion about the name, but we acquire forenames from different sources.

Thanks again you have all been a great help, I have concluded that they are two different guys the latter being Stephan.

Kind Regards

Johannes