He.111 , s.K.G.10, shot down Oct.24th 1943 Bauvais, France, help please

[Joda87]

Hello everyone,
I need your help to find out if there is any information about the shooting down of a He.111, belonging to s.K.G.10, in the Beauvais area on 24 October 1943.

I am reporting the news from a small diary kept by the on-board radio operator, Lt. Karl Manger, who survived the shooting down, so there may be inaccuracies and errors (mine) in the transcription:

The aircraft was a He.111 ‘K 7+T K’ which was ‘shot down at 12.12 on Oct.24th 1943 by a Mustang, near Beauvais’.

I hope you can help me identify the aircraft and, if possible, the crew too...!

Thanks in advance!
Marco

[Rottler]

Hello Marco,

GQM loss return 28 Oct 1943 item 94:
24.10.43 Flugbereitschaft/Luftflottenkommando 6 Feindflug, Beauvais Notlandung infolge Bordwaffenbeschuß, am Boden verbrannt, He 111 H-11 WNr. 6418 100%.
F Hptm Siegfried Hensel
B Lt Karl Mangner
Bf Uffz Hellmuth Daub, alle verletzt.

Regards
Leo

[Joda87]

Thanks a lot Leo much appreciated!

Sorry what is the meaning of GQM?

And also, the meaning of ‘K 7+T K’ ?

Thanks again!

[Tim O.]

Originally Posted by Joda87

Thanks a lot Leo much appreciated!

Sorry what is the meaning of GQM?

And also, the meaning of ‘K 7+T K’ ?

Thanks again!

GQM = General Quarter Master where losses were reported

K7+TK = Fuselage code of the aircraft. K7 suggests Aufklärungsgruppe Nacht, T is individual aircraft letter, K indicates 2. Staffel.

[Joda87]

Originally Posted by Tim O.

GQM = General Quarter Master where losses were reported

K7+TK = Fuselage code of the aircraft. K7 suggests Aufklärungsgruppe Nacht, T is individual aircraft letter, K indicates 2. Staffel.

Great thank you Tim!


I suppose GQM is the english translation of LW General HQ... is this open dataon Invenio (Bundesarchiv) or NARA?

[Andy Mitchell]

Hi,

They are accessible on Invenio (Bundesarchiv) see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=62434 and go to post #146 for a list covering the majority of the files.

[Joda87]

Originally Posted by Andy Mitchell

Hi,

They are accessible on Invenio (Bundesarchiv) see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=62434 and go to post #146 for a list covering the majority of the files.

Thank you so much


Very appreciated guys, this forum is always great !


Best wishes to all,


Marco

[Joda87]

Btw....is there a chance to know the Allied report of this LW aircraft shot down?

[Chris Goss]

Where did SKG 10 come from while Aufklst Nacht operated on the Eastern Front? 400 Sqn claimed to have damaged a He 111 near Rouen on this date and times match

[Joda87]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Where did SKG 10 come from while Aufklst Nacht operated on the Eastern Front? 400 Sqn claimed to have damaged a He 111 near Rouen on this date and times match

I agree withy you, it looks something concerning the units doesn't match: sKG10 is an handwritten note inside his personal diary some days before the mission, but could not have anything related to the action.
What he writes about his aircraft is ‘K 7+T K’.

Please note that it's a pencil handwriting, maybe something is not good readable..