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Old 15th January 2007, 09:16
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Re: Stalin Attack on the West and Hitler pre-emptive attack in VI 1941

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Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski View Post
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Maybe what was wrtten by Sir Liddel Hart it is for you "the holy cow", it your point of view - not mine.

You do not know even your Russian sources prineted in 90-ties or after 2000.

When you read Mieltiuhov book - Upuszczonyj szans Stalina, Rakurs, Moscow 2002 it is evidently and several times written in the whole book.
Stalin had ordered to attack on Germany/Hitler on 12 VI 1941. This date was removed. Second date was about 15 July 1941, See. page 412

Soviet VVS RKKA had made several top's secret air mission over South-Eastern part of Poland to make reccon for future Russian invasion in May-June 1941, which was planed to be command by Zukov form South-Western Fornt. The command was erected a few days before 22 VI 41. Zukov got nomination for this post on 21 VI 1941

Russian had declared twice, openly army moblization, so called BUZ -bolszye uczebnyje zbory, 3-ed time was made top secret mobilisation, as a secret move (for about next 400.000 soldiers, also before 22 VI 1941).

When you look at marshal Shaposznikow book "The Armys' brain", you will find exactly and directly written, the mobilisation means the begining of war. This book was one of favourite for Stalin

Regards,
MirekW

PS
I do not like, when one man as so called "Igor" wants to talk, disccus, make any claims and fear to presnet his full name. More you are surprised!
That I call it as a idiot situation.
Yes, it is idiot situation for me
Dear Mr.Wawrzynski,

thanks for your response. It is very nice, that I currently know what "historian base" have your work and your claims. I don't know, may be in Poland this sources looks as authentically but in circle of serioses russians historians( and I hope apparently of some groups in west, too) such books as Miljutinov are classified as junk. You are free use such works, but exept from wild fantasy of authors of these books, they contan nothing that could approve there theory.
I understand, why you didn't like Liddle Hard, he is not very likeable with pre WWII Poland. Ok, than I can propose the book of Taylor "World War 2". Or he is also "Kreml spy" ? Then I know, what you will like: OKH Chief General Oberst Fritz Halder's Diary. I can assure you: he is no communist, 100% !! Specially in Finnland case, you found many intresting things.

Best regards.

P.S. It is clear, that I didn't mark Shaposhnikow as "junk". And that the Stalin read this work show only, that he read the right books for the leader country. Each leader in each country, if he pay attention to defence policy must read this book. Even he is so "high potential" as G. Bush
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