Soviet over Finland. 25-30 VI 1941. New Article

[kalender1973]

Originally Posted by Dominik

I have read this article and I think that it is useless and full of information which has nothing to do the title.
First you have written that Soviets attacked Finladnd without declaring war and few lines later it is written that Finland declared war upon USSR. So where is the point? Other thin which is interesting in your opinion is that USSR "illegaly" attacked Finland...sorry if I had been Stalin I would have attacked country which allows enemy's forces to base on its territory. I would claim such state as my ennemy's ally. Oh yes. Finnish pilots flew with German crews on action. For me it would be a very good excuse for declaring war.
Generally speaking you could write two pages shorter article instead of this stuff about "bad" Soviets and "good" Finns.
Finishing my post I have to mension that part about combats is interesting.
In my opinion you could write an interesting book about Finnish-Soviet aerial combats...but without this political nonsense about "neutral" and "Innocent" Finland and treacherour Soviet Union.

Regards

Dominik

Hello,

this article is typical political motivated point of view of some authors from Poland(and other countries of east Europe) after 1990. This is supported by some russian-born authors such Suvorov with his history books, that does not accept by any serioses historians.
I will see, as any other counties will be react, in such situation as was USSR and Finnland. It is clear, what the KGr806 and IV/LG1 do in Finnland at that time. And it is clear, that Finnland was involved in Germans war plans from the beginning of planing. I assume, that after winter war 1940 this was fully normal for Finnland and they want own lost area back, but I can not accept that the USSR atack in june 41 was no provokated agression !!!


Best regards


P.S. I could only reccomend the Liddel Hart book about WW2. After reading of this book some "victims" of the WW2 appeared not in good ligth.

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by kalender1973

this article is typical political motivated point of view of some authors from Poland(and other countries of east Europe) after 1990. This is supported by some russian-born authors such Suvorov with his history books, that does not accept by any serioses historians.

Quite a risky thesis. Actually, a number of serious historians found several documents supporting the thesis. But it is easier to call them politically motivated.

[kalender1973]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

Quite a risky thesis. Actually, a number of serious historians found several documents supporting the thesis. But it is easier to call them politically motivated.

Hi Franek,

could you say me this sources ? I hope, the author name is not Adolf Hitler and his appeal to the german soldiers on the east front...

And BTW, this mail I found in my mail box today and is response to my statement from 12. januar:

"Hi
Can you support his claims with any solid critics, or you want to mainly spread a "red's foam" on the net?

Second could be nice to know your real name as you want to write any such claims, if you want to look credible not idiot?

Regards,
Mirek Wawrzynski, an authhor of this story and not only."


I found, that is "very fine form" of conversation and discussion of the author of this article :-)))
Best regards,
Igor.
P.S. I don't know, that Sir Liddel Hart spread "red foam" in his book :-)))

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hello, friends!

On 22Jun1941 between 07:38 and 10:25 (3 days before the air raids in question) finnish submarines Vetehinen, Vesihiisi and Iku-Turso laid mine barrages in Soviet territorial waters. A bit strange action for a neutral state.

Best regards,
Andrey Kuznetsov

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

Hi
Good point but If I am right this information had not been know for Stalin and his General Staff. After the war (1945) it was know from Finnish sources.
When you see the memories of marschal A.A. Novikov, the whole background for Russian air agression is more then well explained from the main peoples responsible for this act of air war. See more in his memories on the net in Russian language.

Regards
MirekW

PS
Main command post for the South-Western Front had been constructed since March 1941. from this command post was planned to invade Western Europe. Zukowa was nominated on this post on 21 VI 1941.