Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943

[Chris Goss]

I have a number of camera gun stills showing Luftwaffe aircraft being shot up on the ground/air; can anyone identify any losses (I do know the identities of the Allied pilots responsible). They are:

30 Aug 43: Bf 110 & Ju 52 at Laon-Athies (Ju 52 seen burning)
11 Sep 43: Fi 156 (air-to-air shot)
4 Oct 43: He 111
4 Oct 43: Bf 110 (air-to-air shot)

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Hi Chris,
30. Aug 1943 Fl.Komp./Ln.Rgt. 3 Laon-Athiens, Bombing raid, Ju 52 WNr. 5012 100%.

All I could find so far,

Regards,
Norbert

[anderbe]

Hi.
For 30 Aug 1943 I have the following Bf110.
30 aug 1943 Bf110F-4 w.nr 2679 3./NJG4 Athies. 100%
30 aug 1943 Bf110F-4 w.nr 4681 3./NJG4 Athies. 30%

For 04 Oct 1943 ZG76 lost a lot of Bf110's, so can be hard
to find an exact match.

Regards
Anders

[thenelm]

Both losses posted by anderbe was recorded as being due to enemy fire. WNr. 2679 burned on the ground.

Couldn't find any Storches lost in France on 11-Sep., but I did find this one:

Ar 96, 4255, Huppert, Uffz. Hans, , , , Schl.G. 101, , , , , 11-Sep-43, Killed due to enemy fire., , Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/776, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen und usw., p.135; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/783, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.28, , bei Couvron, 100%, H, , ,

[Chris Goss]

Thanks all. I will be consulting the 609 Sqn F540 this evening so will furnish more. The CG shot on 11 Sep 43 is definitely a Storch but they also claimed the Ar 96 (which I had already). The 4 Oct 43 Bf 110 was a lone one so perhaps another night fighter?

[Chris Goss]

30 Aug 43: Claims were Ju 52 & Bf 110 destroyed by Detal and Reahill of 609 Sqn plus Bf 110 probably destroyed and Ju 52 damaged by Detal

11 Sep 43: Fi 156 or Hs 126 destroyed by Leslie of 609 Sqn in Juvincourt/Sissonnes area. Ross of 609 tried to attack a Fi 156 but obviously failed-CG shot could not be Leslie's as he was shot down and killed

4 Oct 43: He 111 was by Henrion of 609 Sqn at either Juvincourt/Sissonne. Bf 110 was by de Moulin at Florennes but could also be by Van Lierde at Hasselt, 30 Nov 43

[ClinA-78]

Hello Chris,

Just being curious but did the presumed 4 oct 43 cinegun of De Moulin reveal any detail of the lanscape, height of combat, etc.?
Perhaps a I./NJG 4 material loss?

Best regards

ClinA-78

[Chris Goss]

Sorry but just sky and a Bf 110 banking away to the starboard

[ClinA-78]

well, thank you, another strange claim of De Moulin...