ANR - Holzkirchen

[ouidjat]

Hello Ferdinando & Eric,

I remember the thread - or just some posts - about that Klemm insigna...

Astounding and unbelievable are not the proper words Ferdinando. I just didn't know. I realised yesterday, only, looking at the picture that the number wasn't at the "right" place and that number style wasn't commun in Luftwaffe...
THEN; talking about that: There is another picture, blurred, we got on eBay (or US veteran sites) showing a white 6(?) with a II Gr. stroke, JG51 style... a couple of months ago. Will look for it and put it here...

Hmmm Now the hard way:
From where come this JFS.14 story I found on Net?? There was a JFS.14? If ever, this does concern the II°Gruppo, the III°Gruppo, both?

Thanks for your comments and help, and best wishes.

Franck.

[veltro]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Astounding and unbelievable are not the proper words Ferdinando. I just didn't know. I realised yesterday, only, looking at the picture that the number wasn't at the "right" place and that number style wasn't commun in Luftwaffe...

I agree it is "almost" unbelievable, but a comparison of two images, one taken at Holzkirchen and the other in the Czech scrap dump should dissolve any doubt, as the camouflage details coincide perfectly on the two aircraft...

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Hmmm Now the hard way:
From where come this JFS.14 story I found on Net?? There was a JFS.14? If ever, this does concern the II°Gruppo, the III°Gruppo, both?

From where some incorrect data do originate is a question that if it could be always solved, would make this a perfect world, which clearly isn't...

To put things straight, it seems to me a pattern of incorrect quotings and wrong assumptions: the article of Giuseppe Grande, which is the first source, never quoted the number of any Luftwaffe training unit operating at Holzkirchen, the only mention being connected to Furth and to JG 104 which had operated from there.

Thus, the reference in the caption of the colour profile on p. 43 of the booklet "Ali Straniere in Italia- Bf 109" by Alegi-Gueli to a fictitious "Jagdfliegerschule 14" is twice wrong: first because (AFAIK) there was no such unit (the JFS started from 1 to 7) and second because the article of Grande is quoted as a source when it didn't ever report the name of such unit.

So, I think the less culpable is Stefan Wikstrom, who in a page devoted to "skins" for a flight simulator used the info coming from the last source to put it down in his text...

Summing up, unless new data do appear, the "JFS 14" should be considered a complete fake and disregarded at all.

P.S. Thanks to Eric Guillaume for his info. Unfortunately I have volume 2 only of that book...

Merry Christmas everyone.