I gruppo of ANR

[focusfocus]

hello

I am looking for any information relating these two pilots of I gruppo( 1° sqd) ANR:

tenente BRUNO CARTOSIO
tenente VITTORIO SATTA

any information would be much appreciated

where was based the I gruppo between january and march 1944?

[veltro]

What kind of information are you looking for?

Here are some references about Vittorio Satta and the recovery of his remains:

http://www.agmenquadratum.net/attivi...peri/pag03.htm

http://web.tiscali.it/warbirds/warbirds/satta.htm

The same about Cartosio:

http://www.agmenquadratum.net/attivi...peri/pag05.htm

http://web.tiscalinet.it/warbirds/wa...5-Cartosio.htm

About Cartosio, I can add that he claimed a P-47 shot down on 6 April 1944 (cfr. http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=31814 - second post)

About more personal data, I think I don't have much to add, but will eventually post anything surfacing after a search back home.

Between January and March 1944, 1° Gruppo was based in Campoformido (Udine).

[focusfocus]

thanks ferdinando it is exactly for what I look

in the osprey book about italian aces,bruno cartosio is credited with four kills and vittorio satta with two kills but I have found only one kill for each
have you information relating that

I have two photographs of a macchi 205 in herringbone sheme who were not in your book"camouflage and marking of the aeronautica...) but these macchi seems are painting in german grays and not in sand and green?
is't possible that some planes are painted in these colors?

[veltro]

Originally Posted by focusfocus

In the osprey book about italian aces,bruno cartosio is credited with four kills and vittorio satta with two kills but I have found only one kill for each
have you information relating that

According to the listing of claims of the "Ufficio Voli" of 1° Gruppo, Cartosio was credited with 1 P-47 on 11 March 1944 (confirmed by the Germans at 12.00hrs in the Padua-Venice area) and with the P-47 already reported on 6 April 1944 (confirmed by the Germans at 15.45hrs in the Pl.Qu. QL3-6/QM1 area).
Concerning Satta, he was credited with only one claim, against a B-24 on 28 January 1944 (German confirmation not available).

Originally Posted by focusfocus

I have two photographs of a macchi 205 in herringbone sheme who were not in your book"camouflage and marking of the aeronautica...) but these macchi seems are painting in german grays and not in sand and green?
is't possible that some planes are painted in these colors?

Thanks for the info. It goes without saying that I would be very interested to have a look at the two images (maybe you can contact me privately or with a PM). Concerning the "herringbone" camouflage, it was applied in Macchi factory on the very last examples of the C.205 coming out from the production lines, comprising (or probably starting with) the only fifteen examples of "Serie VI".

That camouflage was in accordance to orders apparently received by all the three main Italian firms still producing fighters, namely Fiat, Macchi and Breda. In fact, during April 1944 all the three factories painted their planes with that scheme in "Nocciola Chiaro" (sand brown) and "Verde Oliva Scuro" (dark green).

When the new replacement C.205s with the "herringbone" scheme arrived to 1° Gruppo, they were a striking contrast with the 74/75/76 splinter scheme of the other examples which had been repainted by the unit since March 1944, so much that on some examples, it was attempted a partial repainting of that camouflage scheme (documented in our book) with the 74/75 splinter one.

In no case, however, the "herringbone" scheme was repainted in 74/75 mimicking the original scheme, because it would have been a waste of time both because the same time could have been spent repainting it with the conventional 74/75/76 splinter scheme and also because there was not much time to be wasted. In fact, the rest of the planes forcedly abandoned by the unit on August 1944 when the Germans attempted to dissolve the ANR, were all in complete and pristine brown and green "herringbone" stripes (have a look here: http://www.150gct.it/modules.php?nam...ighlight=serie ).

Hope this helps.