Bombing civilian targets by the Luftwaffe?

[Franek Grabowski]

Marius

Nobody says German airmen are innocent. And this is the question of the thread: when German aircrews bombed a purely civilian target for the first time and where?

Go on. Wieluń 1.09.1939, Warsaw 1.09.1939 and on.

The "Butcher" Bomber Harris, yes why not.

And all those war criminals from RAF & USAAF.

I doubt it. There were two attacks in the early morning by I./StG 76 and I./StG 77. All other bombings were carried out in the bright area of Wielun, even reaching 12 km away, not on the city itself.

Well, your doubts are not my problem.

Who estimated this 75%?
1200 persons... compare other bombing attacks - for example the night bombing raids by RAF bombers - and how many tons of bombs were dropped. For example in Rotterdam appr. 100 tons killed 600 - 900 people.

The bombing was researched by a Main Commission of Research of Hitlerite Crimes in Poland. Their files are currently at IPN, so you may get an access there. Also, as you noted, Rotterdam was in the combat zone. Wieluń was not and the people were surprised.

Also in Dresden 1945 the streets were strafed by US fighters, but until day nobody could bring the evidence for the story.

Because no streets at Dresden were straffed. It was the roads around Dresden.

6 bombings? What is the source? What German units did it?

It is really not my problem what German units did it.

I mean ca. 20 tons dropped by I./StG 76 and ca. 10 tons by I./StG 77. The first attack (I./StG 76) was at ca. 5.30 hours, the second (I./StG 77) at ca. 6.05 - 6.10 hours.
Look to the war diaries of both units.

Three attacks starting 4:40, then three raids at about 7:00, 10:00 and 14:00.

Fact? Fact is they did not. At first on 25th September Luftwaffe started bombing of Warsaw which also caused considerable damage to civilian districts. All earlier attacks were made against purely military targets.

BS. Already on 1 September purely civilian districts of Koło and Rakowiec were hit. Villages surrounding Warsaw were bombed on 3 September. On the very next day civilian districts of Praga and Grochów were badly hit. 5 September - main railway station filled with civilian evacuees was hit (remember Dresden?). All this well before combat zone moved to Warsaw.

And don`t forget Warsaw was declared as a "fortress". Fact is it was a battle zone since 8th September as first German tanks tried to come in.

See above. Bombing of civilan targets happenned before that date. Of course you will explain that those were military targets - those people could carry weapons.

Many silly things were published in Germany. Compare the stories written by Jochen Trenkner about Wielun. Many nonsenses and lies and manipulations as well.

Yes, your research is a perfect example. If you cannot find anything in your documents it is a clear proof that it never happenned.

What is the evidence Frampol was a practice target?

Find the original article on the subject, it should be not a problem for you.

5th column and diversion groups, not bad. Do you really believe this?

I do not need to. It was proven by a German researcher that eg. German diversion groups were engaged in Bydgoszcz/Bromberg attacks and he was even able to find their names.